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IF King Charles III is the Anti-Christ

This is the problem I have with Christian endtimes interpretations in general.
As a religion, we've now had roughly 2,000 years of it heading in myriads of directions, many of them exploited and most conflicting
Yet we just can't seem to get enough of it.

...Is it time well spent?
I think we'll know when we get there. That's my eschatology.
 
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I was joking about adding Tim Cohen's book to my book list. I already took 30 minutes and read through most of the pertinent chapter and material that dwb0001 wanted us to focus upon. It was unfortunately not as historically tight as I'd prefer to see in work that is supposed to reflect professional history writing (i.e. historiography).

Then too, IF King Charles III is the Anti-Christ (as Tim Cohen claims he is), Charles better get crack'n!

He's already in his mid-70s ... :rolleyes: :oops:
Charles is one month older than me. I am 74. There is no reason for Charles to pursue, at his age, the kind of things the person who becomes the Antichrist will pursue.

Also, the first filter when looking at someone as possibly being that person who becomes the Antichrist is that he must be a Jew. Charles is not a Jew, so there is no reason to consider him.

A Jew in Jewish context is someone whose mother is a Jew. I have made over 10,000 posts since 2004 at the Jewish Counter-Missionary site of Messiah Truth, learning what the Jews believe.

The person who becomes the Antichrist has to be a Jew because the Anti "Christ" has to become the King of Israel, although coming in his own name.

"the" Christ in Jewish context is synonymous with being the promised King of Israel messiah descended from King David. Which is why, the religious leaders responsible for Jesus being crucified, mocked Jesus while on the cross by saying....

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Matthew 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

"Anti" is a prefix meaning "against" and/or "instead of". In the case of the Antichrist, both.

The person will be against Jesus and instead of Jesus - which, Jesus is the rightful King of Israel who came in the name of the Lord.

So the first filter is - is the person a Jew? If not, look no further at that potential person, such as someone like Charles.
 
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It does not say fifth horseman in the text.
Correct... but the language is detailed enough to inicate difference and accompaniment. So rhere is another rider.
It does not say that Hell sat on a horse in the text.
Right... maybe y
Hell rode a chariot... or can run really fast.
It does not refer to a fifth horse in the text.
I made that point.
Nor any color.
Pale.
It does not say that Hell was a rider in the text.
ok... so maybe Hell is running... your right. But Hell is with the horsemen and as such i clasify Hell as aa horseman.
You joined Christian Forums in August of 2023. I have been posting here since May of 2009.
thaks for tje update slim.
You have no charts, no tables.
Because they are a waste of time.
Anything older than 5 years i consider to be a steaming pile. Good for the garden but not the soul.
 
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This is the problem I have with Christian endtimes interpretations in general.
As a religion, we've now had roughly 2,000 years of it heading in myriads of directions, many of them exploited and most conflicting
Yet we just can't seem to get enough of it.

...Is it time well spent?
I think we'll know when we get there. That's my eschatology.
Does not Jesus tell us to look for His coming?

So by your own admission you are ignoring a command of Jesus. Sounds about right for the Church these days.
 
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I was joking about adding Tim Cohen's book to my book list. I already took 30 minutes and read through most of the pertinent chapter and material that dwb0001 wanted us to focus upon.
I never askef you to focus upon his book. I never read it. But does it include the genealogical link between David and Charles?
t was unfortunately not as historically tight as I'd prefer to see in work that is supposed to reflect professional history writing (i.e. historiography).

Then too, IF King Charles III is the Anti-Christ (as Tim Cohen claims he is), Charles better get crack'n!

He's already in his mid-70s ... :rolleyes: :oops:
And i believe I never said I believe Charles.is the AC.

Please try to represent a.person correctly even when hatefully mocking them.
 
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Does not Jesus tell us to look for His coming?

"For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

I feel like that's going to be pretty hard to miss.

Besides, most of the Christian eschatology I've seen in my life time has NOT been focused on looking for the coming of Christ.
It's been re-focused on looking for the coming of Anti-Christ.

That should tell you something.
 
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"For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

I feel like that's going to be pretty hard to miss.

Besides, most of the Christian eschatology I've seen in my life time has NOT been focused on looking for the coming of Christ.
It's been re-focused on looking for the coming of Anti-Christ.

That should tell you something.
So what about Jesus commant to look for His coming? That doesn't mean to wait for the storm.

And as for you antichrist issue.. I totally agree. It is just one small aspect... but it came up in conversation.

I do not care who the AC will be. But I will present alternatives that are at least closer to the Bible than others wild speculation.
 
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Since there are so many new members to the forum...

From the Eschatology Statement of Purpose...

"When you disagree, address the content of the post and not the poster."
 
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From the Eschatology Statement of Purpose...

"When you disagree, address the content of the post and not the poster."
And you point? That is what I have done... I done feal you have been abiding by that principle.
 
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And you point? That is what I have done... I done feal you have been abiding by that principle.
There are several new members to the forum, who may not be aware of the guidelines. My post was for awareness.
 
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Besides, most of the Christian eschatology I've seen in my life time has NOT been focused on looking for the coming of Christ.
It's been re-focused on looking for the coming of Anti-Christ.
That part is probably true. But the two events are related.

Because we are living in those times, while it will be awful for those who will go through the great tribulation, it is also a time of great hope for the redemption of our bodies and the resurrection of all who have died in Christ - to take place before hand.
 
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I never askef you to focus upon his book. I never read it. But does it include the genealogical link between David and Charles?
Well...............Cohen attempts to demonstrate some genealogical links between King David and Charles, but when you read Cohen's work, he only does so in a somewhat loose, incomplete, descriptive way. There are many gaps and holes in the account that he essentially patches with his own bits of rhetoric which don't bring his claims to a demonstrable, concrete conclusion. In fact, in some ways, his thinking is similar to that of Ken Klein, whose book I also have. (And if you saw my book list, you would see one of Ken Klein's books from the 1990s listed at the bottom).

Anyway, that's neither here nor there. I appreciate you finally citing what you specifically wanted us to look at so we can look at it.
And i believe I never said I believe Charles.is the AC.
Maybe not, but Tim Cohen and his charismatic buddies seem to think, and from what I see in some of the podcast Tim Cohen has shown up on, they've swallowed the storyline hook, line and sinker. For the most part, Cohen has cobbled together a number of books and has been putting his prophetic musings out there for the Church (primarily those in the charismatic/faith movement side of things) to buy and consume.
Please try to represent a.person correctly even when hatefully mocking them.

I'm not hatefully mocking Charles. I'm not even mocking Tim Cohen. I mean, who knows? Maybe in the 1,001 claims he's making, some of them are true. But, being that I'm a student of Historiography and the Philosophy of History, I'm going to cite shoddy attempts at writing history (like Cohen's attempts) when and where I see them.

Last but not least, I'm also not mocking you. Don't be so sensitive, and please know that, as a fellow Christian, I appreciate the fact that you want the Lord Jesus to return just as much as any of the rest of us do.
 
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Well...............Cohen attempts to demonstrate some genealogical links between King David and Charles, but when you read Cohen's work, he only does so in a somewhat loose, incomplete, descriptive way. There are many gaps and holes in the account that he essentially patches with his own bits of rhetoric which don't bring his claims to a demonstrable, concrete conclusion. In fact, in some ways, his thinking is similar to that of Ken Klein, whose book I also have. (And if you saw my book list, you would see one of Ken Klein's books from the 1990s listed at the bottom).

Anyway, that's neither here nor there. I appreciate you finally citing what you specifically wanted us to look at so we can look at it.
I never wanted you to look at it.
Why do you never understand me?
i have said this multiple times and you ignored my protest.
Maybe not, but Tim Cohen and his charismatic buddies seem to think, and from what I see in some of the podcast Tim Cohen has shown up on, they've swallowed the storyline hook, line and sinker. For the most part, Cohen has cobbled together a number of books and has been putting his prophetic musings out there for the Church (primarily those in the charismatic/faith movement side of things) to buy and consume.
So what about Chrles being the son of god. That didn't come from the book.
I'm not hatefully mocking Charles. I'm not even mocking Tim Cohen. I mean, who knows? Maybe in the 1,001 claims he's making, some of them are true. But, being that I'm a student of Historiography and the Philosophy of History, I'm going to cite shoddy attempts at writing history (like Cohen's attempts) when and where I see it.
Your prerogative.
Last but not least, I'm also not mocking you. Don't be so sensitive, and please know that, as a fellow Christian, I appreciate the fact that you want the Lord Jesus to return just as much as any of the rest of us do.
This is not readily apparent from your posts.

This is so not something I am interested in. I just was pointing out someone's dogmatic thinking... and then y'all jumped on the AC bandwagon.

How about you ask an question we might both find interesting?
 
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I never wanted you to look at it.
Why do you never understand me?
i have said this multiple times and you ignored my protest.
My bad. I'm trying to hone in on just what it is you want us to focus on.
So what about Chrles being the son of god. That didn't come from the book.
Well, Tim Cohen says something similar to that, involving a big statue that supposedly was commissioned. Cohen thinks Charles will place it upon the Mount in Israel.

But you sound like you have another take on all of this? Is your "Charles as son of god" an attribution that you've surmised on your own? Or did you hear about the idea from some other source and you're seriously considering its relevance?

Help me follow your thinking here.
Your prerogative.
No, it's not only my prerogative. It's also my education.
This is not readily apparent from your posts.
I can make it more apparent IF you stop being so argumentative and making insinuations about other Christian's points of view.
This is so not something I am interested in. I just was pointing out someone's dogmatic thinking... and then y'all jumped on the AC bandwagon.
Whose "dogmatic" thinking are you trying to point out? Tim Cohen's dogmatic thinking?
How about you ask an question we might both find interesting?

Ok. In your estimation, who or what is "Mystery, Babylon the Great"?
 
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My bad. I'm trying to hone in on just what it is you want us to focus on.
I don't want you to focus on anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why will you not listen??????????????????
Well, Tim Cohen says something similar to that, involving a big statue that supposedly was commissioned. Cohen thinks Charles will place it upon the Mount in Israel.
Nothing to do with it. Charles is the son of god. How do you address that?
But you sound like you have another take on all of this? Is your "Charles as son of god" an attribution that you've surmised on your own? Or did you hear about the idea from some other source and you're seriously considering its relevance?
Do you not have Google... Google the father of the King.
This is FACT not opinion.
Help me follow your thinking here.
Then ask questions... after you do your homework.
You learn better if you discover for yourself.
No, it's not only my prerogative. It's also my education.
Both are subjective in their value.
I can make it more apparent IF you stop being so argumentative and making insinuations about other Christian's points of view.
I don't go in much for ultimatums. If you want to explain yourself... I can't stop you.
If someone speaks error as if it is truth... I don't go easy on that type of thing.
Whose "dogmatic" thinking are you trying to point out? Tim Cohen's dogmatic thinking?
No the person that I was originally responding to.
Ok. In your estimation, who or what is "Mystery, Babylon the Great"?
At the current time... America.
Now let the fight begin.
 
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