Anyone else have a unique eschatology?

[2PhiloVoid]

Yes it is.
I never said he was the antichrist and he is an heir to David's throne and his father was considered a god.

Ok. And where is your support or evidence for this? Articles? Books? What?

You wanted me to listen to you. Here I am-----listening.

 

[dwb001]

Oh? Let's talk about our choice of words then, shall we?

You have, at present, given ZERO justification for citing the specific works for any other Christians, books or live ministries or whatever, as categorizable as old, passe, antiquated "maggoty manna." You've jumped the gun!

Any revelation from God that is past it's due date is like yesterdays manna... and that has maggots in it.

And you know what happens in a race when you jump the gun?

You win.

 

[dwb001]

Ok. And where is your support or evidence for this? Articles? Books? What?

You wanted me to listen to you. Here I am-----listening.

"The Antichrist and a Cup of Tea"... available on YouTube as well.
What do you want to know?
Ask questions.

 

[Douggg]

Yes it is.
I never said he was the antichrist and he is an heir to David's throne and his father was considered a god.

The book is The Antichrist and a Cup of Tea by Tim Cohen. And that is where you are getting the notion that Prince Charles is possibly the Antichrist.

The Antichrist person has to be a Jew. The Antichrist person cannot be Prince Charles..

 

[Douggg]

"The Antichrist and a Cup of Tea"... available on YouTube as well.
What do you want to know?
Ask questions.

What is the functional role difference in being the Antichrist and being the beast king of Revelation 13 who rules the world for 42 months '

 

[2PhiloVoid]

"The Antichrist and a Cup of Tea"... available on YouTube as well.
What do you want to know?
Ask questions.

Ok. Let me go check it out.

 

[dwb001]

The book is The Antichrist and a Cup of Tea by Tim Cohen. And that is where you are getting the notion that Prince Charles is possibly the Antichrist.

I did not say that the Antichrist was this person. And it is King Charles.

The Antichrist person has to be a Jew. The Antichrist person cannot be Prince Charles..

He is a descendant of David. I see nothing that says AC must be a Jew. King Charles could be declared a ruler in Israel by a secular nation of Israel.

 

[Douggg]

He is a descendant of David. I see nothing that says AC must be a Jew. King Charles could be declared a ruler in Israel by a secular nation of Israel.

You are reading a book by Tim Cohen. Cohen is a Jewish name, so Tim Cohen is likely a Jew. Are you aware that other Jews (who are Christians), noted end times authors, Joel Rosenberg, Joel Richardson, don't believe that the Antichrist will be a Jew. Why? Because they themselves are Jews and cannot fathom such a thing as one of their own being the Antichrist.

The Antichrist has to be a Jew in order for the Jews to accept him as their King of Israel messiah.

 

[dwb001]

You are reading a book by Tim Cohen.

Wrong again.

Cohen is a Jewish name, so Tim Cohen is likely a Jew. Are you aware that other Jews (who are Christians), noted end times authors, Joel Rosenberg, Joel Richardson, don't believe that the Antichrist will be a Jew. Why? Because they themselves are Jews and cannot fathom such a thing as one of their own being the Antichrist.

The Antichrist has to be a Jew in order for the Jews to accept him as their King of Israel messiah.

Where does Revelation say the AC is king?
So if he is just a powerful person in the region why can he not be a Gentile?

 

[Douggg]

Where does Revelation say the AC is king?
So if he is just a powerful person in the region why can he not be a Gentile?

You need to educate yourself about what the Jews (Judaism) believe regarding their coming messiah. Try the Judaism 101 site, about things, the mashiach.

The person as the beast-king in Revelation 13 will no longer be the Antichrist at that time. Antichrist and Beast-king are two different functional roles. One is as the King of Israel. The other is as dictator of the end times Roman Empire, the EU. Go back to that post #164 which has my graphic in it - that you sloughed off.

The Antichrist is in Revelation 6:2, as the rider on the White Horse, given a crown. The crown given is that he will be anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name. That is what makes the person the Antichrist. Being anointed by the false prophet as the King of Israel will be the swearing in ceremony of the person.

Which, as the newly crowned King of Israel, it will be incumbent of him to confirm the Mt Sinai covenant for 7 years, as is in Daniel 9:27, And so with that, the 7 years begin. The same 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9-10 following the Gog/Magog event.

 

[dwb001]

The person as the beast-king in Revelation 13 will no longer be the Antichrist at that time. Antichrist and Beast-king are two different function roles. One is as the King of Israel. The other is as dictator of the end times Roman Empire, the EU.

I don't see that in Revelation at all.
What verse in Rev 13 says the Beast is King of Israel?

The Antichrist is in Revelation 6:2, as the rider on the White Horse, given a crown. The crown given is that he will be anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name. That is what makes the person the Antichrist. Being anointed by the false prophet as the King of Israel will be the swearing in ceremony of the person.

No that also does not track... nothing in Rev 6 has any hint of an AC.

Which, as the newly crowned King of Israel, it will be incumbent of him to confirm the Mt Sinai covenant for 7 years, as is in Daniel 9:27, And so with that, the 7 years begin. The same 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9-10 following the Gog/Magog event.

Hmmm... I don't see the King part in Revelation.

 

[Douggg]

I don't see that in Revelation at all.
What verse in Rev 13 says the Beast is King of Israel?

It doesn't. That the whole point. As the beast king, he will no longer be the King of Israel (the Antichrist), because half way through the 7 years, he goes into the temple, sits, claiming to have achieved God-hood. When he does that, the Jews will reject him from continuing as their King of Israel.

In retaliation, the person will persecute the Jews for the remainder of the 7 years.

Again, go to post #164 and study that graphic I made of the different functional roles the person goes through step-by-step on the way to his destruction.

 

[dwb001]

It doesn't. That the whole point. He will no long be the King of Israel (the Antichrist), because half way through the 7 years, he goes into the temple, sits, claiming to have achieved God-hood. When he does that, the Jews will reject him from continuing as their King of Israel.

Sorry... you contradict yourself.
"Antichrist and Beast-king are two different function roles. One is as the King of Israel."
Please try to be consistent.

In retaliation, the person will persecute the Jews for the remainder of the 7 years.

Again, go to post #164 and study that graphic I made of the different functional roles the person goes through on the way to his destruction.

Give the Revelation references. Thanks.

 

[Douggg]

I don't see that in Revelation at all.
What verse in Rev 13 says the Beast is King of Israel?

No that also does not track... nothing in Rev 6 has any hint of an AC.

Hmmm... I don't see the King part in Revelation.

Given a crown in Revelation 6:2 is that he is made a king. That he is riding a white horse indicates him being a messiah figure.

 

[dwb001]

Given a crown in Revelation 6:2 is that he is made a king. That he is riding a white horse indicates him being a messiah figure.

That is your interpretation and you know how I feel about interpreting Revelation.
What you say is not explained in Revelation... it is your conclusions and not really backed up by scripture.
This is one of the mistakes I am trying to sort out.

 

[Douggg]

Sorry... you contradict yourself.
"Antichrist and Beast-king are two different function roles. One is as the King of Israel."
Please try to be consistent.

No, I didn't. You only quoted part of what I typed.

Antichrist - King of Israel coming in his own name, one role
Beast-King - Dictator of the Eu, end times Roman Empire, another role.

I will break the 7 years down for you with only those two functional roles.

First half of the 7 years, the person is the Antichrist, King of Israel coming in his own name.
Second half of the 7 years, the person is the Beast King, dictator of the EU, no longer the King of Israel

 

[dwb001]

No, I didn't. You only quoted part of what I typed.

Antichrist - King of Israel coming in his own name, one role
Beast-King - Dictator of the Eu, end times Roman Empire, another role.

I will break the 7 years down for you with only those two functional roles.

First half of the 7 years, the person is the Antichrist, King of Israel coming in his own name.
Second half of the 7 years, the person is the Beast King, dictator of the EU, no longer the King of Israel

You said the AC was not the King of Israel.
Now you say he is.

But where exactly in Revelation does the AC become KING OF ISRAEL?
Chapter and verse..... please.

 

[Douggg]

You said the AC was not the King of Israel.
Now you say he is.

But where exactly in Revelation does the AC become KING OF ISRAEL?
Chapter and verse..... please.

No, I never wrote that the Antichrist was not going to be the King of Israel. You eyes must be playing tricks on you.

Are you looking for the term "Antichrist" in Revelation? Everyone knows that the term "Antichrist" is not in Revelation.

The rider on the white horse given a crown in Revelation 6:2 is the Antichrist, albeit the word "Antichrist" does not appear in the text.

 

[dwb001]

No, I never wrote that the Antichrist was not going to be the King of Israel. You eyes must be playing tricks on you.

Post #278.

Are you looking for the term "Antichrist" in Revelation? Everyone knows that the term "Antichrist" is not in Revelation.

No but the idea. Only the most simple fall back on the "the word is not there so the idea is not there" defense.

The rider on the white horse given a crown in Revelation 6:2 is the Antichrist, albeit the word "Antichrist" does not appear in the text.

Where is this???????
Nothing in Rev 6 has any idea of the AC.
And it happens in another part of the world as per Rev 6:8.

 

[Douggg]

Post #278.

This is what I wrote in Post #278...
It doesn't. That the whole point. As the beast king, he will no longer be the King of Israel (the Antichrist), because half way through the 7 years, he goes into the temple, sits, claiming to have achieved God-hood. When he does that, the Jews will reject him from continuing as their King of Israel.

I did not write that as the Antichrist he would not be the king of Israel.

What I wrote is that as the beast king, he will no longer be the King of Israel (the Antichrist).