Anybody know if Rob Reiner is okay?

[essentialsaltes]

That all assumes the initial prop 8 campaign was pure citizen outpouring with no "usurpers" playing the money game.

There were plenty of outside usurpers.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ... also publicly supported the proposition. LDS members contributed over $20 million, about 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state. ProtectMarriage, the official proponent of Proposition 8, estimates that about half the donations they received came from Mormon sources, and that LDS church members made up somewhere between 80% and 90% of the volunteers for early door-to-door canvassing.

Other religious organizations that supported Proposition 8 include the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,[92]Eastern Orthodox Church,[93] a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson,[94] American Family Association, Focus on the Family[95] and the National Organization for Marriage.

 

[durangodawood]

There were plenty of outside usurpers.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ... also publicly supported the proposition. LDS members contributed over $20 million, about 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state. ProtectMarriage, the official proponent of Proposition 8, estimates that about half the donations they received came from Mormon sources, and that LDS church members made up somewhere between 80% and 90% of the volunteers for early door-to-door canvassing.

Other religious organizations that supported Proposition 8 include the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,[92]Eastern Orthodox Church,[93] a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson,[94] American Family Association, Focus on the Family[95] and the National Organization for Marriage.

Nooo its only when Hollywood elites pipe up that the purity of Golden State citizen sentiment is violated!

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Nooo its only when Hollywood elites pipe up that the purity of Golden State citizen sentiment is violated!

it's the timing that's the differentiator.

The pro- and anti-Prop 8 campaigns spent a combined $83 million on the campaign

By election day, volunteers on both sides spent thousands of hours getting their messages across to the state's 17.3 million registered voters.

The campaigns for and against Proposition 8 raised $39.0 million ($11.3 million or 29.1% from outside California) and $44.1 million ($13.2 million or 30.0% from outside California), respectively.

So, the side rallying against prop 8 actually spent more, and actually just slightly edged out the anti prop 8 team in terms of spending and in terms of outside influence/funding.

So both teams had equal access to the normal "money in politics" game that was discussed earlier.

It wasn't a one-sided Mormon propaganda campaign as some like to portray it as.


The voters heard amply from both teams (who were both well funded)... the language itself wasn't "tricky"

https://repository.uclawsf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2265&context=ca_ballot_props

In plain English it states the purpose, the potential impact, and what a yes and no vote means.

(it's one of the easier to read ballot measures I've seen)

The majority voted Yes.


It was only then that Reiner formed a group with the primary focus of undoing it with the help of Hollywood A-listers' money, and high-level Democratic political operatives.

 

[durangodawood]

it's the timing that's the differentiator.

The pro- and anti-Prop 8 campaigns spent a combined $83 million on the campaign

By election day, volunteers on both sides spent thousands of hours getting their messages across to the state's 17.3 million registered voters.

The campaigns for and against Proposition 8 raised $39.0 million ($11.3 million or 29.1% from outside California) and $44.1 million ($13.2 million or 30.0% from outside California), respectively.

So, the side rallying against prop 8 actually spent more, and actually just slightly edged out the anti prop 8 team in terms of spending and in terms of outside influence/funding.

So both teams had equal access to the normal "money in politics" game that was discussed earlier.

It wasn't a one-sided Mormon propaganda campaign as some like to portray it as.


The voters heard amply from both teams (who were both well funded)... the language itself wasn't "tricky"

https://repository.uclawsf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2265&context=ca_ballot_props

View attachment 374621

In plain English it states the purpose, the potential impact, and what a yes and no vote means.

(it's one of the easier to read ballot measures I've seen)

The majority voted Yes.


It was only then that Reiner formed a group with the primary focus of undoing it with the help of Hollywood A-listers' money, and high-level Democratic political operatives.

One sided Mormon crusade? Who said that?

Regardless, they were still acting as invalid usurpers by your measure. 30% out of state spending by various parties could well have tipped the balance. Thats why other so called "usurpers" on the opposite side of the issue absolutely should get involved - so long as this stupid big money game is the one we're playing (thanks R party supreme court!).

At any rate the whole prop 8 thing was unconstitutional. Citizens dont get to do what they want just because they voted on it. It has to conform to the limitations we initially placed on govt power - thankfully!

 

[BCP1928]

it's the timing that's the differentiator.

The pro- and anti-Prop 8 campaigns spent a combined $83 million on the campaign

By election day, volunteers on both sides spent thousands of hours getting their messages across to the state's 17.3 million registered voters.

The campaigns for and against Proposition 8 raised $39.0 million ($11.3 million or 29.1% from outside California) and $44.1 million ($13.2 million or 30.0% from outside California), respectively.

So, the side rallying against prop 8 actually spent more, and actually just slightly edged out the anti prop 8 team in terms of spending and in terms of outside influence/funding.

So both teams had equal access to the normal "money in politics" game that was discussed earlier.

It wasn't a one-sided Mormon propaganda campaign as some like to portray it as.


The voters heard amply from both teams (who were both well funded)... the language itself wasn't "tricky"

https://repository.uclawsf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2265&context=ca_ballot_props

View attachment 374621

In plain English it states the purpose, the potential impact, and what a yes and no vote means.

(it's one of the easier to read ballot measures I've seen)

The majority voted Yes.


It was only then that Reiner formed a group with the primary focus of undoing it with the help of Hollywood A-listers' money, and high-level Democratic political operatives.

So what? If the proposition was thought to be unconstitutional then it is his right to help bring it to court.

 

[DaisyDay]

What are people actually expecting?

What? Do they think that there's some magical number of outrage threads that'll finally turn people? "Boy, this one more brick up on the Trump bad wall could be the one that finally gets them to see the error of their ways and bow to our will"

When the outrages and illegalities continue on a daily basis, would you have everyone stop reacting and just accept the new MAGA world? At least we don't have to manufacture these outrages - they are real and egregious.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

When the outrages and illegalities continue on a daily basis, would you have everyone stop reacting and just accept the new MAGA world? At least we don't have to manufacture these outrages - they are real and egregious.

To what ends?

Like, what's the goal? Just to point out something bad he did and get 20-30 responses of "yeah, that's bad"?

If the goal isn't to actually debate any of it, talk about the conditions that led to it in the first place, or changes that can be made to prevent it from happening again, and is just meant to get affirmation via "preaching to the amen corner", then I fail to see the utility.

 

[RileyG]

A loving, very not inappropriate message from our President about this incident. Truly an example we should all strive for. Try not to cry from the outpouring of emotion.

Mr. Trump,

Do better

SMH

I am speechless

Ugh

 

[durangodawood]

Mr. Trump,

Do better

SMH

I am speechless

Ugh

He's an adult, ostensibly. And has been one for a long time. Clearly he just likes being this way, given the more than ample opportunity he's had to change. It doesnt seem like a mental illness, although some people claim extreme narcissism (making every single thing about ME) would fit that bill.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Mr. Trump,

Do better

He's getting much worse by the day.

 

[camille70]

I was really saddened to hear of Robs death. I grew up on All in the Family and The Princess Bride is one of my favorite movies. May he rest in peace

 

[camille70]

My god but Trump thinks up the most horrid, dishonourable things to say to grieving family and friends while simultaneously implying one of his followers killed Mr Reiner.

What a gent.

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart, his mouth speaks. Luke 6:45