any support for Israel

[Hank77]

Too many.

Then how shall they ALL be saved?

 

[LoricaLady]

We are not to support Israel or Jews that are unsaved. They reject Jesus Christ and may even claim he is in hell in boiling excrement as written in the Talmud. They are also responsible for many atrocities and wars including incidents where they murdered Americans/Civilians and tried to pin it on whoever they wanted to conquer - gulf of tonken incident, lavon affair, pollard spy case, etc..

Most of these incidents the Israeli government admitted to and even gave medals to those behind it at the time. Did we punish them? Nope, we sent them more money and bombs like we continue to do every year. Its amazing how both parties/congress/etc support AIPAC and Israel with undying loyalty.

Well, I am not saying that all political decisions from the USA to Israel have always been right. (I'm not saying all political decisions in general of the USA have been right!) However, Israel is our only ally in that area and the only democracy there. Their huge arsenal of weapons, which we have supported, actually keeps the Muslims from taking over completely, as they long to do. You may not like the Jews or Israel - and I surely don't like their extremely liberal culture at this time in history - but to me it is not horrific as with Islam. They are not running around the world slaughtering people and enslaving people left and right.

Further the Bible does tell us to "pray for the peace of Jerusalem." It does tell us Messiah will return there, not to Washington D.C., for example.

I think it is so interesting that all the nations surrounding Israel are now Muslim. To me that says a lot. It shows me the devil is really against Israel. The devil always wants to ruin what the Almighty is up to.

I'm way repelled by the Talmud, but Israel, the land, is still promised to the Jews and I don't see any change in that. Those who do not accept the Messiah will have to answer to Him for that. As for us, I think it is not wise to come against Israel - though we don't have to support it other than through prayer. The Father is not finished with Israel, or the Jews, yet, as the Bible shows.

 

[Call me Nic]

According to Romans 11 they ARE.

No, according to Romans 11 they are NOT (Romans 11:20), as well as according to Romans 9 (Romans 9:6-8), as well as according to Galatians (Galatians 3:27, Galatians 3:29, Galatians 3:7-9).

 

[Hank77]

I'm way repelled by the Talmud, but Israel, the land, is still promised to the Jews and I don't see any change in that.

Let's talk about the land. Where do you believe ethic Israel will be after the millennium?
I'm supposing here that you believe they will be on earth until then.

 

[Grip Docility]

I've heard different points of view about Israel and Christianity
but what exactly is a christian's obligation to Israel? This one
preacher John Haggee says it's mandatory, yet I hear other
opinions that focuses on replacement theology. What's going on?

I don’t care about Haggee, but Support Israel? Support Zion?

Oh, absolutely. Count me in on that.

Jesus is the ONLY true temple of God, but Israel is Israel and Zechariah 14 with Acts 1 are all I need. Joel 3 brings it home!

Oh Lord, Protect our Brothers and Sisters Of the Old Covenant and please let them raise their voice to YOU who comes in the Name Of the Lord!

Oh Lord! Let the Persistent Widow be shamed no longer! Please lift them up to you oh Dear Jesus!

Blow the Horn in Zion! The King of Kings will not keep His promises because of us, but because of HIS GOODNESS and MERCY!

 

[Hank77]

Jesus is the ONLY true temple of God

Which scripture says that?

 

[Grip Docility]

Which scripture says that?

John 2:21

There’s plenty more, but I’m guessing you’re extraordinary with cross reference tools.

All Love to you, Brother in Him. <3

 

[Barney2.0]

Well depends today’s Israel is a secular, it has nothing to do with the Biblical kingdom of Israel which now lives on in the hearts of all believers, although the Bible does state Jews will return to their homeland in the end of days as we’ve seen, however many misunderstand this and think that the Jews will reform the ancient kingdom of Israel upon their return however the Bible doesn’t say this. I support Israel and I think all Christians should because it’s one of the only states that treats people equally in the Middle East and Christians and even muslims are treated humanely not like how non Muslims are treated like animals in major Islamic countries. That’s the reason I think we’re obliged to support Israel.

 

[Grip Docility]

Well depends today’s Israel is a secular, it has nothing to do with the Biblical kingdom of Israel which now lives on in the hearts of all believers, although the Bible does state Jews will return to their homeland in the end of days as we’ve seen, however many misunderstand this and think that the Jews will reform the ancient kingdom of Israel upon their return however the Bible doesn’t say this. I support Israel and I think all Christians should because it’s one of the only states that treats people equally in the Middle East and Christians and even muslims are treated humanely not like how non Muslims are treated like animals in major Islamic countries. That’s the reason I think we’re obliged to support Israel.

Though I don’t see Israel as altogether “secular” (They protect the Great Isaiah Scroll), I LOVE your post and express deep gratitude for your intelligent words, that are bathed in His Love.

 

[Call me Nic]

I don’t care about Haggee, but Support Israel? Support Zion?

Oh, absolutely. Count me in on that.

Jesus is the ONLY true temple of God, but Israel is Israel and Zechariah 14 with Acts 1 are all I need. Joel 3 brings it home!

Oh Lord, Protect our Brothers and Sisters Of the Old Covenant and please let them raise their voice to YOU who comes in the Name Of the Lord!

Oh Lord! Let the Persistent Widow be shamed no longer! Please lift them up to you oh Dear Jesus!

Blow the Horn in Zion! The King of Kings will not keep His promises because of us, but because of HIS GOODNESS and MERCY!

Take a glance at Hebrews 8 once in a while. You're supporting those who blaspheme the Lord Jesus Christ in their "sacred Babylonian Talmud."

 

[Grip Docility]

Take a glance at Hebrews 8 once in a while. You're supporting those who blaspheme the Lord Jesus Christ in their "sacred Babylonian Talmud."

God’s been there for the Godless, before.

Remember the cross?

I’m clinging to His boundless Mercy and richness that depends on Him, not us.

Look at the word arrogant within Romans 11.

Is Faith, Hope and Love a sin?

 

[Hank77]

John 2:21

There’s plenty more, but I’m guessing you’re extraordinary with cross reference tools.

All Love to you, Brother in Him. <3

I think He was talking about His resurrection in the John 2 verse.

God Blessings on you.

 

[Call me Nic]

God’s been there for the Godless, before.

Remember the cross?

I’m clinging to His boundless Mercy and richness that depends on Him, not us.

Look at the word arrogant within Romans 11.

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, AND UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

You have to believe to be saved, and they don't believe - they reject Jesus as Messiah. They are therefore antichrist (1 John 2:22, 1 John 4:2-3), and if they have not the Son, then they have not the Father (1 John 2:23).

 

[LoricaLady]

Let's talk about the land. Where do you believe ethic Israel will be after the millennium?
I'm supposing here that you believe they will be on earth until then.

Let's talk about the land. Where do you believe ethic Israel will be after the millennium?
I'm supposing here that you believe they will be on earth until then.

I do not understand what you are getting at. What do you mean by "ethnic Israel"? Well, whatever you personally mean by that, Israel as a people represents not just the Jews but all the tribes of Israel, which I believe are among people dispersed starting after the time of Solomon.

My focus is more on the land. What I see is that in the Millennium of Peace that the Savior's headquarters, so to speak, will be in the land of Jerusalem. That is another reason to treat it with respect.

As for people, many gentiles as well as Jews will be lost. But we all know gentiles who have been saved, and there are many Jews who have been saved and will be saved.

I can't go around saying to any Jews, or to any gentiles, "You are saved over there and you over in that other place are not saved and never will be saved." I don't know people's hearts or their futures. I just know, again, that at the very end "all Israel will be saved."

 

[Grip Docility]

I think He was talking about His resurrection in the John 2 verse.

God Blessings on you.

Indeed, and I’m sure we see this diffently, as I see that and a little more.

But Love binds us and discussion about Him and Scripture is Good. <3

 

[Barney2.0]

A look with an open mind will see how Israel is not the aggressor in the conflict of the Middle East.

 

[Hank77]

My focus is more on the land. What I see is that in the Millennium of Peace that the Savior's headquarters, so to speak, will be in the land of Jerusalem. That is another reason to treat it with respect.

Where will they be after the Millennium?

 

[Grip Docility]

Where will they be after the Millennium?

Is the millennium a millennium?

“The Day Of the Lord May be as 1000 years”

I put a couple things together there.

My opinion.

 

[Call me Nic]

Is the millennium a millennium?

“The Day Of the Lord May be as 1000 years”

I put a couple things together there.

My opinion.

Wow, really?

 

[com7fy8]

I've heard different points of view about Israel and Christianity
but what exactly is a christian's obligation to Israel?

Our obligation is to love and pray for any and all Jews, and love and pray for any and all non-Jews; because God is all-loving >

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" Jesus says in Matthew 5:46.

And our Apostle Paul says, "first of all" to pray for all people > 1 Timothy 2:1-4.

So, God desires for us to care for any and all Jews and any and all non-Jews, in His love praying for all. Love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

This one preacher John Haggee says it's mandatory,

I have heard John Haggee preach. I think he is very clear how he believes God wants us Christians to support Israel.

But the Jewish Torah is clear how if the Jews in the time of Moses did not honor and obey God, then God would have Gentile enemies come and kick the Jews out of their promised land and all over the earth. And this is what happened. So, if Jews do not obey and honor God, then according to their own Torah they are not guaranteed safety and security in the land now called Israel. Also, to my knowledge, the present land occupied by Jews is not all the land which was promised by the LORD to them. So, they have not returned to all of what the Bible says is their promised land.

But, like I consider > I can see how the promise of the land does not apply to ones who are disobeying God. So, in case they are not honoring and obeying and openly proclaiming Jesus as the Messiah of Israel . . . they possibly are not guaranteed anything until and if they openly honor and obey the rule of Jesus as their Messiah.

And so, it is not enough to try to help Jews who are not obeying God. They need first to seek Jesus.

Even so > there have been Jews who have proclaimed Jesus who is our Messiah. And we Gentiles who are Christians have joined with the Jews who started the ministry and witness of the Gospel and the New Testament. So, already, we are with the Jews who are Christians. There is no way you can say we have replaced our Apostle Peter and our Apostle Paul who were Jews by background before they trusted in Jesus.

yet I hear other opinions that focuses on replacement theology. What's going on?

Christianity was started by Jesus who was a Jew in flesh and blood, and who used Peter and Paul who were Jews, to start the life and ministry of Christianity. So, no way have we Christian Gentiles replaced Jesus our Lord and Savior who was Jewish as a Human, and no way have we replaced our Apostles Paul and Peter who were Jews!!!!

But unbelieving Jews were broken away, and we Gentiles in Jesus were then grafted in where the refusing Jews were broken away.

And we in Jesus already own all the promised land >

1 Corinthians 3:21-22.

Therefore, I consider from this scripture > Jews who are saved along with us saved Gentiles already own the whole world, which includes the promised land. And so we need not fool ourselves into believing how worldly people make things look Jerusalem already belongs to us, according to God's word; and if and when the LORD pleases for any of us to go to Jerusalem, have a good time . . . if and howsoever God pleases.

But before you get overly concerned about the present land-based Jerusalem, you might consider how it is written that there is the Jerusalem which is "above" "and which is the mother of us all" > please see Galatians 4:26. And consider all which God's word says in Revelation about the "New Jerusalem" > Revelation 3:12 (Jesus says), and Revelation 21:2-22.

By the way, Galatians 4:26 says the Jerusalem "above" is "free". I consider that the present Jerusalem on this earth is not truly free. In God's love, we are free of fear, for one thing, free of arguing and depending on military force and security.

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

So, we need to first be giving our attention to how we in God's love can be truly free, and know that our "mother" "above" Jerusalem is "free". And no one can be truly free only by use of military and politics and controlling this world's evil people.

And . . . again . . . what does our Apostle Paul say we need to do . . . "first of all"?

1 Timothy 2:1-4.

So, we can expect our Bible knowledgeable and honest ministers to emphasize praying for any and all people . . . and therefore, not only calling great and much attention to the land of Israel. So, yes, of course, if Jews do not bless Abraham by honoring Jesus, then those Jews need our prayer; they do not need land, but they need to trust in Jesus, or else they are not blessing Abraham, and so they need prayer.

But it is good to do good to Jews who do not believe, because Jesus says to love our enemies. And be thankful for the Jews who have honored our Lord and Savior and who started the spreading of the Gospel so we now have heard of Jesus and trusted in Him for our salvation and we have become children of God along with the Jews who started spreading the Gospel. Those Jews who have blessed us with the Gospel are not being replaced by us, but we are family together with our Groom Jesus.