I did not speak about the discussion between Pharisees and Sadducees, In said it was chapter 22, or to be precise now: Acts 22:17-23. Though the name of Jesus is not mentioned there, text and context suggest the "Lord" in V.19 is not just God, but Jesus.
chapter 23 is when a riot broke out between the Sadducees and Pharisees regarding resurrection at all...NOT the issue of HOW HE WAS KILLED...chapter 22 also does NOT bring THAT up but there Paul DOES bring up Stephen who they killed for accusing them of KILLING the guy not named “Jesus” but a Hebrew name...and yes you are correct they are ALSO upset He sent Paul out to the dirty goyim...
You seem not to understand what I have written. Paul made no charge in his speech in Acts 22 to the people of Jerusalem. A generation later it was inappropriate to tell them they were guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus. So, this was my point, it is definitely inappropriate 40 generations later to do so.
Paul did remind them of Stephen who they ALSO killed for accusing them of killing Him...he had seen what they did to poor Stephen so I understand why he would not directly bring it up...although Paul had written the Thessalonians that Jews did...1 Thess 2:14-16 written in 52AD being 20 years after witnessing Stephen’s death for doing so...
It is Paul who says the law is for Israel, Rm 9:4; Mose says the same, e.g. Deut 4:5-8; 18:14.
right the same Israel He handed His living oracles to at Sinai...the same Israel full of those NOT of Jacob as the strangers within thy gates of the Sabbath commandment specifies...is WHY Paul writes Jews and Greeks are NOT in Him but a joined citizen of THIS Israel keeping STILL His living oracles...Paul heard Stephen remember? Acts 7:38...IS WHY 1 Cor 10:4 native and foreigner THE SAME...IS WHY 1 Cor 12:13 into ONE SPIRIT...the SAME...no distinction...as Peter affirmed...
As one group eating bacon and one NOT would be distinguished right?
sure He is...just like the torah is described the way the truth and the light SO IS HE...and is the DEMONSTRATION of it...the GROOM representing to His put away wife the TERMS to their “I DO”
and He is not special to Israel.
sure He is...the Hope and promise the Seed...out of Her the Blessing to ALL as His house of prayer is for ALL...you are silly to miss that Israel was ALWAYS and ONLY...SPIRITUAL...
NEVER by blood as the egg donated for Abraham’s seed was by DIVINE INTERVENTION just as the one born of flesh was Jacob but was REBORN Israel by DIVINE INTERVENTION...nothing by human blood or merit...
What was the nature of this wall? The one who did not get circumcised and kept all laws of Mose had no entrance to God.
you blind yourself rejecting it was ONE LAW for native AND foreigner the SAME...strangers within thy gates REMEMBER?
Do you really mean this is my position? Re-erecting the wall is a figure for imposing the law on Gentiles (Gal 2:18, see 2:11ff for the context). Who is the one who wants Gentiles to keep the law and thus erects a wall? Certainly no me.
lol...Acts 15 be our guide which shows circumcision was NEVER expected of gentiles to fellowship or be saved...and yet 3 dietary laws were to keep clean meats clean...as were all 10...as Moses was taught on every Sabbath as James concluded...which of course included festivals...
so there ya go...native and foreigner THE SAME is WHY in Him with a Hebrew name there is NO Jew or Greek but a citizen of Israel with a sabbatismos...that Hebrew Greek linguistic mashup for the same spiritual joining of His People...
Well, I always said that Jesus did not change the law, he did not even change it in that is was stretched to other people that Israel.
HalleluYah...and just like 1 century Jews had to be reminded that the OT was FOR WHOSOEVER...so too must the Bride today by reminded of what she “I DO!”...as We are bought by a Husband to follow Him as He lived...and it is NOT burdensome because we LOVE Him...
Do you mean the alleged crimes in World War I? The paying for them was interrupted for 1932 (as a part of the Hoover moratorium), and before this year ended the paying was cancelled altogether. It is a Nazi myth hat Hitler stopped paying for them, as I have said, the latest payments were in 1931.
Or do you want to say that the Holocaust crimes and other atrocities are only alleged, and no real crimes?
will pass on all this as this is getting long enough...
As to the core of your question: Giving money as a compensation (giving a rent to the widow of a victim, or to people forced to work without payment) is quite different from saying "You, Helmut, killed Jews", which would be the parallel to what you have said.
Not only are ALL Germans at that time accused but also at this time of guilt...and most Germans accept it (only more recently has this been changed gradually...but still latent as I have even heard accepting mass immigration of muslims is to show penance for German history...ok leaving it alone but point made)
as do MOST Christians accept they killed Him too...
This is an oversimplification. The Nazis had sympathizers among Germans abroad (e.g. in south-west Africa, which is now Namibia, this lasted even after 1945). The ones who fled from Nazi Germany fought against the Nazis (usually not in the military, for they were looked on with suspicion). As to other Germans, things are more complicated as you say.
yes complicated but lessons still to learn...elsewhere on other threads...
I do not deny that, but this is another matter than blaming Jews of out time for the crucifixion.
Jews still today would do so again...BECAUSE Jews still believe their own FABLE that He changed the customs Moses delivered...this FALSE WITNESS was central to Christian teaching and remains the wall rebuilt between Jew and goyim...the very middle wall of separation He tore down to make us family...brothers...of His
There are several postings here that explain why this conclusion is wrong.
which I reject...
He knew “not one stone will be left on another” would take longer than ONE DAY...and certainly not on a Sabbath day when the gates of the city were closed...
“Tiberius! we came all this way from Rome and the gates are locked today?”
“Yes Titus...Jews lock them on Sabbaths to keep the Christians inside”
“Ok...then we’ll come back tomorrow when they reopen”
LOL
Of course He expected winters and Sabbaths to continue into the future...He made it that way...
You are certainly not the one I would confess my sins to.
And "follow me" is always coupled with a reference to His death ("take up your cross" or the like). So following Hiom means readiness o suffer or even die for Him. This may even be the opposite of keeping the law (Gal 5:11; 6:12).
ok you lost me there...I follow Him...even to be hated by the world and its Jews...as He was first...not ironic the Christians are the first to reject what I offer...
that kingdom of Christ and Yah is the SAME kingdom and has a Law unchanged...the god you worship has changeable laws...has two brides one who do vs those who do not...as if the Son had changed the customs Moses delivered...
No, because of 1.John 5:21.
you imagine that Son indeed came to abolish the law despite teaching “think NOT that”
and counterfeit a Paul having him write “I confess that according to the Way which they call a sect so I do NOT worship the God of my fathers and do NOT believe all things which are written in the Law...AND against the law of the Jews and against the temple have I offended”
haven’t see you post His Hebrew name at all...which Paul heard
still failing Matt 23:3 as if He did NOT affirm the Sabbath was made for man...or instructed prayers a sabbatismos...in future times of trouble...
you could have used Romans 7:7 but then you’d have to admit Paul delights in the Law verse 22 and keeps it “Thank Yah” verse 25 ...ALL of it as taught AND demonstrated Sabbath to Sabbath...and ”copy me as I copy Christ”...
Disclaimer: I fell into such sind (and may fall into them in the future), but I never said or thought it ok to do so.
no need...I play tennis...not to keep rules but because I love the game...I will never keep all of them every game but will keep trying...especially that “thou shalt serve an ACE” lol
Sadly you do not feel the need to keep all the rules...
Who is "He"? Do you hint at Jesus having committed any sin in the list you posted?
no no demonstrated their keeping not their NOT keeping...that was worded awkwardly on my part..
I do according to the NT, which is also the key to understand the OT spiritually.
no you don’t because the NT was taught and demonstrated by Him prior His death signing it with His blood and sealing it with His death NO changes after Testator is dead...none demonstrated the 40 days and 5 weekends He remained to teach...IS WHY they kept Sabbaths festivals and dietary restrictions in the NT
There is no single verse in the NT where Jesus taught to keep the sabbath.
which you accept...
“follow Me” is a good start...as in DO as He did...JUST AS and feel free to help me chase the money changers out while you are at it...AS HE DID
There is a word in Greek for what you do now, depending on translation it is "slandering" or "blaspheming".
what’s the one for counterfeiting? Love as He loved is NOT the love of the world...or from ourselves but AS HE LOVED US
My standard is the one who said
Mt 12:7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.
The IRONY He said it on the Sabbath to those that accused FALSELY His disciples breaking it...so He told them NOT to condemn the innocent KEEPING the Sabbath...
He provided Mercy prior sacrifice...Mercy from the six days of work...
So, you certainly don't live in a house, since He choose to have no house of His own, Lk 9:58. Or are you a hypocrite that teaches other people to live AS HE DID (whith capitals, thus demanding every little detail to be identical), but do not live as He did in all points?
I'm certainly sure you will not be crucified as He was - you had the chance to go to ISIS territory to achieve this, you obviously didn't.
You draw a line between those aspects of Jesus' life you want to imitate and those you will not copy. I suppose you have good reasons for that that cannot be criticized. But then you should not rush forward to accuse those who draw the line in a somewhat different way (having scriptural reasons for this) that they do not follow Jesus.
oh my...resorting to this now?
nor do I cross the lake on a boat or ride a donkey...the Law being spiritual yes? Dealing with the spiritual matters?
That the world hate me will not be limited to ISIS
Did Paul also intend we get shipwrecked in his “copy my as I copy Christ?”
He did however admonish those that misrepresented Him His ways...as He did...and as did Peter and John
The "US" in your sentence are the Jews.
1/13th of the people who received it at Sinai...including those NOT of Jacob but the strangers within their gates REMEMBER?
I do not say Jesus altered the law (as to "customs", one may ask whether they meant orally traditions, which claimed to be from Mose but weren't), and (contrary to you) I also refute the view that He changed the scope of the law.
you then just counterfeit more sophistically than most...
A Jew calling the Israelites on Sinai "our" fathers (the "our" includes the people he speaks to!) is the proof that (future) Gentiles were included? What kind o9f logic is this?
Stephen knew already at Sinai there were those NOT of Jacob as easily as he knew Abraham was NOT a Jew but the Gentile He sought to find to make a Name for Himself...and to Moses also NOT A JEW...
Peter spoke about "remebering"?
a remembering that what was given at Sinai was to all those within their gates...even those NOT of Jacob were to eat CLEAN meats kept clean
Well, he cited the vision as a justification for eating with unclean Gentiles, a fact he did not deny. Read Acts 11 if you doubt that.
it was ONLY about fellowshipping with the “dirty goyim” now remembered as strangers within their gates...as in the Sabbath commandment the ONLY one including these “dirty goyim” made clean of course...
Peter never had the vision as about eating bacon or dog meat...or cat bat or wombat...
There is no word "Schweinwurst" - I understand your English better than your German.
Ja Ja...SchweinSwurst...good grief...and you think Him NOT as jealous of His ways...lol
And as to Blutwurst - do you want to contradict Acts 15:20?
does NOT apply to you as it is OT law or? Or maybe you are as James concluded to hear Moses every Sabbath after all...lol
So, what did Jesus say:
Mk 7:18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
not only is the part in parenthesis ADDED by king Jimmy’s translators with an agenda
but you miss the deeper SPIRITUAL lesson...
Do you mean Paul differed from Jesus in that point?
not at all...as Jews...He Paul and Peter all understood that it is the circumcised heart that disallows the SchweinSwurst into der Mund...but the UNcircumcised heart readily shoves it and the Blutwurst into the pie hole...
For instance: it is NOT the needle injecting ink of the tattoo that makes one unclean but the fact that one planned what to get where to put it who to hire and how much...all that was DONE PRIOR the ink’s injection...by a heart already unclean...
Just like eyes see with Lust prior the adulterous act
Just like anger is in the heart prior the act of killing...
So NOTHING from the outside defiles a person it is a defiled person already that accepts the SchweinSwurst ins Mund...
No. Iconium, Lystra and Derbe were in Galatia, so the inhabitants were called "Galatians", but they were no Galatic-speaking people, hence no "Celtics". For comparison: You cannot call a person red Indian just because he is an American.
were that you were this particular about His ways His people...
They were Gauls speaking Gallic a Celtic people and had their own calendar and were returning to their ancestral ways is WHY Paul wrote them concerned...
So you should not judge others, judge and prove yourself. If you keep the Sabbath, that is OK, if another one doesn't, that is not your business.
prove his own work against His...and one going against the living oracles we were given should desire correction...thus carrying each other’s burdens...
NOT to misrepresent Him...
MENE TEKEL
is one who would seek to change both times and Law...
