Any Progs changed thier minds on a possible forum split yet?

[NightEternal]

Night, you are so drama

JM

Mjona, we lost Ice and now Stormy. These guys were BOTH forum buddies of mine and I am very upset that they bailed out because they couldn't take it anymore. We are going to lose more Progs as time goes on if we don't split our group from what this place has become.

Somehow, in light of that fact, I don't feel I am being dramatic enough.

That's just me though.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Sure as long as they agree to disagree, however our solution seems to be 'divorce' or 'legal separation' whenever someone with a different view expresses it. What's the problem is the foundation of your faith (generic) so weak it can't stand a difference of opinion? Good thing the human body does not operate like this. Instead we get the regional conference mindset (which is you look different from us so out of sight means out of mind aka get lost)

Oh--then Moi--you disagree with scripture then.......

Am 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
4 Will a lion roar in the forest, when he hath no prey? will a young lion cry out of his den, if he have taken nothing?
5 Can a bird fall in a snare upon the earth, where no gin is for him? shall one take up a snare from the earth, and have taken nothing at all?
6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Many stories throughout the bible reveal when there is a disagreement, the parties split ways. Even among the Disciples

 

[NightEternal]

The thing that infuriates me the most is that those Progs who are presently fighting this thing will most likely join Stormy and Ice (who both opposed the split BTW) in his departure eventually.

 

[sentipente]

Honor, you did an awful disservice to that text.

 

[sentipente]

NE, what would you call this new forum?

 

[NightEternal]

I call it not nearly as effective as a total split from any Trad influence whatsoever would be.

IMO of course.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Last I checked the spokes on a bicycle wheel do not agree on which hole is best to be attached to yet they find a way of working together for the benefit of the wheel. Interesting.

The last I checked spokes have no choice or the ability to decide where they are going to be placed. Bad analogy. lol

 

[tall73]

Moicheri--can two walk together unless they agree?

You need to take that up with the GC then and get them to disfellowship all the Progressives. Otherwise you have no choice but to walk together, and a forum split makes no sense. You are all Adventists, and therefore your stuck with each other, whether you like it or not.

 

[NightEternal]

Give it up Tall. It's useless. You cannot reason with her. We are not true Adventists to her and we will never be. You will never get anywhere dealing with such a narrow mindset.

And so, a split is the only solution. Our trying to have productive dialogue with people who think we are false Adventists will be neither effective nor edifying, and makes about as much sense as Martin Luther trying to reason with and accomplishing harmony with pre-Reformation Rome.

For proof of that, please consult the sinless perfection exchange going on right now as we speak.

 

[honorthesabbath]

You need to take that up with the GC then and get them to disfellowship all the Progressives. Otherwise you have no choice but to walk together, and a forum split makes no sense. You are all Adventists, and therefore your stuck with each other, whether you like it or not.

Tall, may I ask as to why this matters to you anymore? I'm not being mean, but am curious as to why you would care about the state of Adventism since you have renounced our fellowship.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Give it up Tall. It's useless. You cannot reason with her. We are not true Adventists to her and we will never be. You will never get anywhere dealing with such a narrow mindset.

And so, a split is the only solution. Our trying to have productive dialogue with people who think we are false Adventists will be neither effective nor edifying, and makes about as much sense as Martin Luther trying to reason with and accomplishing harmony with pre-Reformation Rome.

For proof of that, please consult the sinless perfection exchange going on right now as we speak.

Night--I am not going to report you for calling me and those other trads who honestly disagree with you, 'narrow minded'. We are well aware of what we believe and WHY we believe it and just because you cannot accept that we REJECT YOUR version of scripture, doesn't make us narrow minded or Romish or unreasonable.

But please be aware that because of the harsh way you direct words at the trads, my experience in this forum has not been very pleasant. I cannot even express in my own sub-forum, my own opinions without someone taking offense and reporting me. This is totally not cool.

Please rethink how you might make this forum a better place for all of us.

You are going to have to get to the place where you realize that every thing that is said is NOT about YOU-because it isn't! When you come to this knowledge, you will be a happier and more peaceful poster.

 

[sentipente]

But please be aware that because of the harsh way you direct words at the trads, my experience in this forum has not been very pleasant. I cannot even express in my own sub-forum, my own opinions without someone taking offense and reporting me. This is totally not cool.

I wish you had the same awareness of the impact you had when you called the Progs offshoots and questioned their identity. You seem to be asking for what you claim to have the right to deny others.

 

[sentipente]

I'm not being mean, but am curious as to why you would care about the state of Adventism since you have renounce our fellowship.

You are being mean because Tall has never renounced fellowhip.

 

[sentipente]

The last I checked spokes have no choice or the ability to decide where they are going to be placed. Bad analogy. lol

Or you lack the sophistication to grasp it. Do some reading in General Systems Theory and you will get some degree of understanding.

 

[tall73]

Give it up Tall. It's useless. You cannot reason with her. We are not true Adventists to her and we will never be. You will never get anywhere dealing with such a narrow mindset.

And so, a split is the only solution. Our trying to have productive dialogue with people who think we are false Adventists will be neither effective nor edifying, and makes about as much sense as Martin Luther trying to reason with and accomplishing harmony with pre-Reformation Rome.

For proof of that, please consult the sinless perfection exchange going on right now as we speak.

Your stuck with her too. You are both Adventists.

 

[tall73]

Tall, may I ask as to why this matters to you anymore? I'm not being mean, but am curious as to why you would care about the state of Adventism since you have renounce our fellowship.

A. I like discussing here

B. It is disconcerting to watch people try to change reality. You are all Adventists until one or the other group is no longer recognized by the church. You are stuck with each other.

 

[NightEternal]

Night--I am not going to report you for calling me and those other trads who honestly disagree with you, 'narrow minded'.

It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me. It has everything to do with taking an honest and thorough look at Scripture without the fundamentalist SDA blinders and filtering everything through EGW glasses.

We are well aware of what we believe and WHY we believe it and just because you cannot accept that we REJECT YOUR version of scripture, doesn't make us narrow minded or Romish or unreasonable.

Not 'my' version of Scripture at all. Simply Bible exegesis without Trad bias to skew my understanding.

Furthermore, I have years of Reformation thought and history as well as some of the finest scholarly thinkers of Protestantism behind my positions.

What can you claim? Outdated, 18th century puritan thought, Bible exegesis pre-prepared by ultra-legalists such as Uriah Smith and the latest Batchelor Here We Stand SDA pep-rally seminars reaffirming historical Adventism to the exclusion of all others.

How credible. No thanks, I'll stick with Luther and Paul.

But please be aware that because of the harsh way you direct words at the trads, my experience in this forum has not been very pleasant.

And you have made my experience a day in the park?

Your hatred for us Progs is well documented. I would refrain from pointing fingers if I were you.

I cannot even express in my own sub-forum, my own opinions without someone taking offense and reporting me. This is totally not cool.

Perhaps you should consider the content of some of the things you say rather than the fact that they are getting reported.

Please rethink how you might make this forum a better place for all of us.

Translation: "Stop challenging accepted, Trad dogma please and let the fundamentalist party line rule the boards."

Not going to happen.

Your Adventist subgroup is responsible for retarding the church in its advancement into credible, Evangical orthodoxism and preventing progress for years. That will always be challenged to the bitter end.

You are going to have to get to the place where you realize that every thing that is said is NOT about YOU-because it isn't! When you come to this knowledge, you will be a happier and more peaceful poster.

Where have I claimed this? I maintain that the spew you rail against Progs is directed to the Progs. That includes me as well BTW.

Sorry, but I will not sit back and take anymore Trad hits on our group without a fight. You say 'peace' though one side of your mouth but through the other side you still hurl your 'offshoot' charges at us and badmouth how we Liberals are destroying the church. Your agenda is clear as is mine. Except I will not hide my agenda behind false talk of forum peace.

Peace and harmony will always take a back seat to the true Gospel of salvation in the battle against legalism and Phariseeism. Always.

"I come not to bring peace but a sword..." Jesus Christ of Nazareth

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Night--I am not going to report you for calling me and those other trads who honestly disagree with you, 'narrow minded'. We are well aware of what we believe and WHY we believe it and just because you cannot accept that we REJECT YOUR version of scripture, doesn't make us narrow minded or Romish or unreasonable.

There is/was no need to report night as he did not call you or anyone else narrow minded. He said:

Originally Posted by NightEternal
Give it up Tall. It's useless. You cannot reason with her. We are not true Adventists to her and we will never be. You will never get anywhere dealing with such a narrow mindset.

It is this type of looking at language as an assault that has led to the disintegration of the forum. Personally I look at your statement as falsehood designed to make it appear night was violating rules. It is why we have had to reject the restrictive nature of the other forums, because to too many people expression is not allowed even if it is expressions that are true.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Honor, you did an awful disservice to that text.

I don't think so.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Or you lack the sophistication to grasp it. Do some reading in General Systems Theory and you will get some degree of understanding.

Well--if you think wheel spokes can talk with each other I wonder who doesn't have understanding.

But I knew perfectly well what you were eluding too, I just do not fully agree.

You see Sent., I see things in pretty much black and white and your world is gray. The problem arises because we BOTH know that we are right. I will never be able to view the world thru your eyes or you mine. The best we can do is agree to disagree without being disagreeable.