How many geocentrists post here? I want to hang out with you guys, and discuss things with you. I have a couple questions aswell. Post here if you are a geocentrist.
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Um, are you serious? Are there actually people who still believe in geocentricism, or is this post a joke? No offense if you do believe this, if you have reason to believe it, just very interesting.
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sjdennis said:
First you have mocked his belief, and then said you mean no offense. Wich is it???
I think you have no room to post debate posts in the Creationists forum since you have already posted that you are not a Creationist. Your posts here can only be fellowship.
This board would be more enjoyable if people could follow simple rules.
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RichardT said:
I don't know if you'll find any takers... but I've always wondered what the scriptures are behind this to make people accept it so completely in our day and age?
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Not sure where you got this from. I am a very strong young earth creationist. If I have implied that I am not a creationist elsewhere please tell me where I have done this so I can edit that post.Pats said:
I did not intend to mock this belief, or debate, I asked an honest question. I did not know of anyone still believing in geocentricism, so would be interested in finding out if anyone did. I know that evolutionists often compare creationists to geocentricists, thereby implying that our beliefs are outdated and wrong, and I would like to find out whether this is a thread started as a joke by an evolutionist to hassle creationists, or an honest topic looking for fellowship.
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Uh...he's a creationist, Pats. Check out some of his posts in the main forum if you don't believe us.Pats said:
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Geocentrism is outdated, but modern Geocentricity is not. Look up the Machian theory. I am an honest geocentrist. It fits observed scientific data.
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sjdennis said:
I am really very sorry. I got you mixed up with some one else. This is very embarassing. I came on way too strong, anyway. I appologize.
Well, healthy debate amongst Creationists here is fine. It didn't quite get why you said, "Are you serious?" But I appologize just the same.
If this forum can be full of serious Christian TE's, than why not a geocentrist?
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sjdennis said:
No offense intended here sj, but I find it curious that you can go though a long post in an attempt to refute one verse and yet swallow a moving Earth theory without a second thought. Are you aware that the only way either model can be conclusively proven is by an observer outside of the Universe?
Evolution was able to get its foot in the door because of a general acceptance of the heliocentric model.
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Good point. I have just assumed heliocentricism was correct, because I feel that otherwise the calculations that have allowed probes to reach Mars etc would not have worked. However I would be very interested in any information to the contrary. I seriously thought this post was some evolutionist trying to pull everyone's leg, sorry about that guys! Please enlighten me further! I will google the Machian theory when I get a chance tomorrow. I am quite happy to look at the evidence for and against geocentrisicity from a scientific and scriptural perspective, this sounds a very interesting topic that I had not looked at before.Lion of God said:
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As a TE I am fairly ignorant of "modern geocentrism".
Could someone please explain briefly what is meant by this? Is it the belief that the earth is at the centre of the universe, or at the centre of the solar system?
The former seems much more plausible than the latter.
Could someone please explain briefly what is meant by this? Is it the belief that the earth is at the centre of the universe, or at the centre of the solar system?
The former seems much more plausible than the latter.
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Were geocenticism true, the laws of Physics would have to be rewitten. Also, how do you explain that unexplained anomalies of gravity etc. have been later shown to be undiscovered planets or asteroids, if our model of the solar system is incorrect?
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I think geocenticism is a bit broad, obviously there are different kinds and variations. And I am not one but I am not completely opposed to the idea... I don't see how earth's placement in the universe is very signifigant in any way.
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frankwernal said:
I remember reading that the Laws of Physics were rewritten to accomodate Heliocentricity in the first place.
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Lion of God said:
I'd modify your first sentence just a little bit. My version would read: It is significant because it questioned the prevailing interpretation of the Bible's perspective on the natural world at that time.
The difference is subtle, but important. I believe the Bible is true -- but that sometimes our understanding of it is flawed. Prime example -- the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah. Looking back at the OT through our understanding of Jesus and the glorious things He has done, we see a much clearer picture than the people of the first century did. We see the distinctions between the suffering messiah and the ruling one. These truths / this dicotomy was there in the OT, but hard to understand, and very few people got it right.
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Hmm, back in them days there was no such thing as a 'law of physics' - there was just Aristotle saying 'Circles are perfect, therefore the Planets (and the Moon and Sun) must move around the heavens in circles.' And everyone saying 'gosh yes you're right' for about 1500 years.Lion of God said:
There is nothing wrong with the solar system being heliocentric so long as that is what makes the system work - Earth is the important bit after all.
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I clicked on the links but I havent read them yet will look at them later, but I did have a food for thought comment.
Science claims not to know the extent of the universe, so how is it we would know we are not at the center of it.
and your post got me thinking about it from another perspective, relativity,
Who is to say the universe is not rotating around a still earth? technically speaking the same cosmic forces that act on us now could still act on us if we were at its center say akin to the eye of a tornado.
Just food for thought.
BTW are their any biblical verses that point out geocentricity?
I thought it was like the flat earth theology where it was just assumed,(tradition of men) and not actually based on scripture.
Science claims not to know the extent of the universe, so how is it we would know we are not at the center of it.
and your post got me thinking about it from another perspective, relativity,
Who is to say the universe is not rotating around a still earth? technically speaking the same cosmic forces that act on us now could still act on us if we were at its center say akin to the eye of a tornado.
Just food for thought.
BTW are their any biblical verses that point out geocentricity?
I thought it was like the flat earth theology where it was just assumed,(tradition of men) and not actually based on scripture.
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