Any Carman fans?

[bleechers]

Seems to me you need a piece of humble pie!

Now, that's the second cheap shot...

You may be right, you may be wrong and others maybe right or maybe wrong but just becuase they have a different interpertation does not mean that are teaching heresy.

By that reasoning, everybody is right, Paul wasted his time and anything in OK in the name of Christ.

Example:

Ya know , this tread was posted to see if anyone was a carman fan & what thier favorite song was, not a bash carman thread , think what you will about him , what he does & teaches is between him and God, if you disagree with his teachings dont listen to him and pray for him let God deal, ok,

OK, I'm gonna start a thread on the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and what great Christians they are. Along the way I'll post some of Joseph Smith's and Brigham Young's writings... by the above reasonings, NOBODY can question their interpretation of the gospel.

"Earnestly contend for the faith, once for all delivered unto the faith." Jude 3

"I we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel than that which you have received, let them be anathema [accursed of God]." Galatians 1

And Satan struck in vengeance! The blow of death felled Jesus to the ground. The devils roared in victory! The saints shocked and perplexed as wounds appeared upon His hands and feet. Then Satan kicked Him in His side, and blood and water flowed. And they waited for the 10 count of defeat. God the Father turned His head, His tears announcing Christ was dead...

Besides being hard to read because of the calous and blasphemous way Carman treats the Person of Jesus... this is simply very bad doctrine.

Yes, men in their final act of depravity "crucified the Lord of Glory" but neither they nor Satan killed Jesus. That is flat-out anti-gospel. And the Father did not turn His head and cry! The scripture clearly states that it PLEASED the Father to BRUISE Him!

Outwardly they appeared to "kill" Him:

Acts 529Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men! 30The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead--whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. 31God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.

But this is rebuke of their intention (and satan is not mentioned anyway). The truth was stated by Jesus:

John 10
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


Jesus was "rejected of men" but He was "smitten of God".

"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin... "

"His soul" was made an offering for sin. We can't enter in to that. Neither Satan nor demons had anything to do with the sin transaction. It was wholly between the Father and the Son. Victory was on the cross ("It is finished!... into they hands I commend my spririt").

Satan ascended from Hell

No he did not. He's never even been there, nor is he looking forward to going there.

Why don't you write to your hero and correct his errors. And I haven't touched on the fact that his songs (clearly demonstrated in the examples given) take great liberties with God the Father, Jesus, and Satan. Carman puts words in their mouths that have no basis in scripture.

If there are errors in my music, I'd appreaciate correction. What I don't encourage are the continue ad hominem (personal) attacks against me.

 

[Macewindu77815]

Besides being hard to read because of the calous and blasphemous way Carman treats the Person of Jesus... this is simply very bad doctrine.

So the Passion was a bad movie...look at how they treated Christ?

I am personally not a fan of Carmen just because I don't really like the music.

But to say he is blashphemous...isn't that going to far...how do you know that Satan wasn't there watching the Crucifixion? He probably was cheering when it happened.

I really didn't want to enter this but I felt I had to.

 

[bleechers]

So the Passion was a bad movie...look at how they treated Christ?

For the record... it was a bad movie filled with scenes not found in scripture.

how do you know that Satan wasn't there watching the Crucifixion?

It doesn't matter whether he was there or not. The Holy Spirit didn't feel it was important enough to mention him. Why would we want to steal from Calvary as God has taught it in Isaiah 53 by attributing that which God did to Satan?

He probably was cheering when it happened

A. "Probably"? You say that based on what?
B. Why would he after trying several times to prevent Jesus from going to the cross???

This is the problem in the church. Nobody wants to "search the scriptures whether these things are so." (Acts 17:11). We'd rather watch a movie made by a gospel-denyer filled with unbiblical doctrines or listen to a music star who makes up his own New Testament.

I really didn't want to enter this but I felt I had to.

That's how I felt when I saw Carman's name on a thread.

 

[blue_eyes36]

[/QUOTE]If there are errors in my music, I'd appreaciate correction. What I don't encourage are the continue ad hominem (personal) attacks against me.[/QUOTE]

AAAHHH, You can dish it out but cannot take I see, your attacking Carman,but thats fine huh? youve stated you opinion so lets drop it ok , as i said before if you disagree with him thene pray for him and let God deal , stop going on & on about it, The word says touch not mine annointed, and brother your beating him .take it to God , now back to the original topic that started this tread mmmmmkkkkk!!!!!

CARMANS #1 FAN!!!! I LOVE YA CARM!!!! !!!




Amy

 

[Eve4000]

*reads thread* wow, how did it get that off topic?

Anyway, I like Carman so much, and the funny thing is I first discovered him through Carman Yo Kidz!

 

[bleechers]

AAAHHH, You can dish it out but cannot take I see, your attacking Carman,but thats fine huh?

Ah, you can't tell the difference between legitimate doctrinal correction and personal attacks... pray tell, where did I attack Carman personally.

I have not judged him personally nor have I attributed to him insidious motives. The statements about me were personal, not doctrinal. And nobody seems to want to acknowledge that Carman cannot defend his words and/or videos from the Bible.

The word says touch not mine annointed, and brother your beating him .take it to God

Yes, but it doesn't say "anything goes" as far as doctrine is concerned.

I haven't suggested that we kill him, just that we correct him. In context of that scripture, was Samuel wrong to rebuke Saul (i.e. God's anointed)? No.

For the record, as a born-again Christian, I am anointed as well... but that does not mean that any of us is above correction.

He is doctrinally wrong and has been shown to be doctrinally in error. You might not care, but that does not mean that the rest of us should accept his errors without checking the scripture (as commanded by God), rebuking error (as commanded by God), correcting error (as commanded by God)... and even more so for someone who has a public ministry.

"Not questioning" leaders is how sheep get eaten by wolves.

 

[Macewindu77815]

Well The Passion was an amazing movie and everything wasn't from the Bible....but it made me feel closer to Jesus...isn't that what music and in this case a movie supposed to do? If God is glorified through these things no matter if there are small doctrinal errors isn't that enough? In Phillipians 1:18 Paul says, " What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and rejoice." The important thing is that Christ is being preached and glorified.

 

[Ellesar]

Will everybody please stop fighting?! I didn't post this thread so that you could bash Carman. I posted it because I wanted to know if there were any Carman fans! Please stop bashing him and his music!

 

[blue_eyes36]

Ellesar,

Amen girl , ive posted 2 messages that said this , but it wont help . people tend to try to start aguements, but im now choosing to ingnore critical comments made ,give it to God and pray for people who want to argue, anywho.
some of the songs I like are , Great God , America again, Just like he said, lord send the rain, & faith enough to name just a few




Amy

 

[Ellesar]

Thanks blue_eyes36. I just had to say that. Those songs are some of my favorites too, along with "Satan, Bite the Dust!" and "No Monsters."

 

[bleechers]

OK... I've written a few new songs too!

1. Workin' My Way to Heaven
2. Allah and Jesus Together Again
3. Livin' Out the Book of Mormon

I've also made a movie about Jesus based on my personal meditations. A lot of it is not in the Bible, but hey, who are you to say it isn't right? It glorifies God 'cause I say so.



There is "another Jesus" that we are warned about in the scripture. If you don't care what people say about the Jesus of the Bible or if you don't care if He is misrepresented by men like Carman and Mel Gibson, then you're willfully ignorant and destined to be duped... as you have apparently already been...

I've got a Biblical question for you: "Hath God said?"

The last woman who got that question wrong ended up making a huge mistake.

Learn to discern.

 

[Ellesar]

You never did answer our question bleechers. Where did you get that information about Carman?

 

[bleechers]

You never did answer our question bleechers. Where did you get that information about Carman?

I was giving his minsitry a chance to respond to my email... I seriously doubted they would, but I gave them the benefit of a little time... they have failed to respond so far.

The doctrines that Carman espouses are found clearly in his songs and in his videos. Furthermore, he openly associates and identifies with the teachers of these false doctrines.

Could you not conclude from the "songs" I listed in my last post that I adhere to false teachings? Of course you could. Carman's adherence to the false doctrines outlined in my earlier posts are evident in his songs and videos.

At least agree with me that Satan is not currently in hell (let alone running the place) and that Carman gets this wrong repeatedly by placing him there in song and video.