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"Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?" - 1 Cor 6:19, NKJVpeterc said:Can someone give me that verse place and #, treating our bodies as a temple??
Thanks in advance
Yes, I´m hereseangoh said:I think bodybuilding is an excellent way to stay in shape. As Christians, we should give glory to God by taking care of our bodies real well. So anyone else bodybuilders here?
Bear said:Arnold may publicly be saying now that he's against steroid use, but don't let that fool ya, he began juicing when he was a teenager to make his mark in the bodybuilding world.
As Christians, we are to treat our bodies as the temple for the Holy Spirit, with all the possible side effect from the use of steroids, I think it would be against Gods will for Christians to use them.
Key Of David said:While I'm against pumping bovine hormones into our bodies just to look freaky.....I do wonder is it not ok to be taking certain legal substances that raise the levels of what hormones you have. After all we can go to the doctor and get this prescribed for other goals....why not a little more muscle mass....would you not consider these currently legal "prohormones" natural?
This is a great resource should you find yourself in that predicament again:peterc said:Thanks Bear, i knew I had read it but when I wanted to quote it correctly ofcourse I couldn't find it
Arnold has also admitted to his use in the past, but when the re-release of his bodybuilding encyolopedia occured, this had been edited. Wonder why?Bobby&Val said:Here's a question to ponder. As Christians and natural bodybuilders, we will not and should not use any kind of illegal performance enhancing substances to increase muscle mass, burn fat etc. We do, after all, answer to a higher authority. Arnold Schwarzennegar, one of the best, if the the most well known bodybuilders now takes a stance against steroids and has said so publicly. That is great! However, is he really against them? He promotes the Arnold Classic and every one on that stage is a steroid user. So isn't he still condoning the use of steroids and its abuse by allowing those men and women on stage?
As christian bodybuilders and parents we have to make it known that this is not an acceptable way to build the body. It doesn't bring any honor to God and as far as our children are concerned, we definitely do not want them to think that this is acceptable! Any thoughts on all of this? Sorry if it seems like a soapbox sermon!
God bless!
Bobby & Val
Mark 10:27
catalyst said:Arnold has also admitted to his use in the past, but when the re-release of his bodybuilding encyolopedia occured, this had been edited. Wonder why?
Do you actually wish to discuss the morality of AAS use, given that testosterone replacement therapy is becoming so incredibly popular? And legal.
I would be interested in a discussion based purely on scientific evidence, of course. And I do have a reason for this: the vast majority of people I discuss this with are serious athletes, and the perspective is often different from what is commonly held by the populace at large. Furthermore, having known thousands of athletes who were using prior to the advent of the Anabolic Steroid Control Act, my views of 'how dangerous they are' are more than likely a bit different.
As to the Christian perspective, I, of course, have no commment.
Bobby&Val As to testosterone replacement therapy said:Um, no. You and others have stated that their use is wrong, and I am clearly pointing out that there is a difference between use and abuse.
Well then possibly you should do a little more research. Please show the clearly demonstrated harmful effects, and to be objective, compare them to other similar drugs which are not controlled substances. The easiest way to do this would be to compare AAS to, say, corticosteroids, which are given out by physicians like candy from a Pez dispenser. Oddly enough, much of the information that led to the Anabolic Steroid Control act about the harmful effects of 'steroids' was based on the side effects of corticosteroids, not AAS.As to how dangerous the steroids are, well, I for one value my liver, heart, kidneys and any other organ that is affected by these drugs.
By way of example, injectable forms of AAS do not pass through the liver at all, and only the ones that are 17-AA have any effect on hepatoxicity, as the hydroxyl at the 17th position is cleaved in the liver.
Lyle Alzedo died from cancer induced lymphoma, which is a side effect of no known AAS. The bodybuilder who died back staged died from diuretic use, and these are not controlled substances, and are yet another compound handed out like halloween candy, as so many can attest to. Perscreptions for furosemide (lasix) are about as common as you can get.I wonder if we could get a quote from Lyle Alzado or perhaps the bodybuilder who died back stage?
Please support this.Hey how about those that have died from kidney failure?
Once again, this was not AAS use.How about Milo Sarcev, who nearly killed himself with an injection of "posing oil?"
No, I clearly offered this as the reason why I wished to discuss it. I do not propose anectodal evidence as support for my position. Ever. I am well aware of the fact that the opinions of the people I normally discuss this with differ from that of the populace at large, who receive their information from the generally ill-informed media.You wish to debate based on "scientific evidence," but you offer as rebuttal those serious athletes with whom you discuss the topic.
Yes, it is. It is also the introduction of an additional factor. One that often allows the athlete to train longer, which can be a factor.Simply put, it isn't athletes getting better by practicing their skills, honing them to perfection.
This takes the place of training how? It does not.Simply put, it isn't athletes getting better by practicing their skills, honing them to perfection.
I simply asked for opinions based on actual evidence. Apparently that was too much. Rest assured I shall not ask you again, as things like supporting your position do not appear to be that popular here. I will not waste your time in the future.
AMEN!!!Bobby&Val said:As to the Christian perspective, it has everything to do with it. If not to glorify God in all that you do, then why do it at all?
God bless!
Bobby & Val
Mark 10:27
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