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They are separate entities with the same agenda or mind like Satan and the demons that are behind it are spiritually...
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They are separate entities with the same agenda or mind like Satan and the demons that are behind it are spiritually...Since this topic has come up often in various threads, it seemed to deserve it's own.
For all of you who believe the Biblical "antichrist", the Biblical "man of Sin" and the Biblical "Beast" are one and the same individual, please provide as concise a scriptural analysis as you can to demonstrate this connection.
For those who hold that they are synonymous, I suggest that the best way to prove your case is to find parallel passages that speak of each character performing the same function or speaking of each character as synonymous participants in the same capacity at the same event.
Connect all 3 or connect any 2, but demonstrate this connection with scripture.
Any reply that consists of "Well, it's commonly known that the beast is the antichrist", or "People have always called the man of sin "antichrist", or "Everybody knows that the beast and the man of sin are the same person", or "wikipedia says they are the same"...will be summarily dismissed as invalid.
Please post the "Scriptural connection" not the "man made traditional" one.
It is the same person because of the time frames and characteristics in the end times bible passages are consistent as the person progresses between the different roles found in the different passages.
1. the prince who shall come confirms the covenant for seven years. Daniel 9:26-27.
2. the leader(s) of Israel are responsible to confirm the covenant per Deuteronomy 31:9-13 for seven years.
3. the human leader of Israel is the man-King of Israel, 1Samuel10:19
the prince who shall come is anointed the King of Israel, and is given a crown, the rider on the white horse, Revelation 6:2, Jesus the true King of Israel riding a white horse in Revelation 19:11
4. in the middle of the seven years, the person violates the covenant. Daniel 9:27, stopping the daily sacrifice.
5. the little horn in Daniel 8 violates the covenant by committing the transgression desolation. Daniel 8:12-13. stopping the daily sacrifice.
6. the revealed man of sin in sits in the temple of God claiming to be God - the transgression of desolation. 2Thessalonians2:4
7. the little horn in Daniel 8:25 magnifies himself in his heart
8. the prince of Tyre (code name for the person) magnifies himself in his heart, Ezekiel 28:6, sits in the seat of God, Ezekiel 28:2, claiming to be God. God has him killed. Brings him, the terrible of the nations, down to the pit, Ezekiel 28:7, Isaiah 14:16. The little horn person is killed, for the transgression of desolation act. The head on the beast in Revelation 13:3 is mortally wounded.
9. once in hell, and taunted, the person is cast out of the grave, Isaiah 14:19-20 because he destroys his people and his land, likened as the abominable branch - Jesus the righteous branch, the person is a Jew and the Antichrist gone bad. God, in disdain for the person, kicks the person out of the grave bringing him back to life. The recovered head on the beast in Revelation 13:3. He rules the world for 42 months, the second half of the seven years. Revelation 13:5
10. satan is cast down to earth with a time, times, half times left. Revelation 12:14.
11. satan gives his power to the beast, Revelation 13:2
12. the little horn persecutes the saints for a time, times, half times Daniel 7:25 - possessed by the unclean spirit ascending out of the bottomless pit - as the eighth king of the fourth kingdom.
13. until God passes judgement on the possessed little horn person in Daniel 7:26-28 and Revelation 19:20
I was merely showing from scripture that the man of sin is the son of perdition is the little horn is the beast of Revelation. You identified who you supposed I was referring to... I was simply answering the OP's query.
We need to keep in mind that God is the Author of His Word and it is exactly as He wants it...it was written in a way to be understood by His last day peoples. Every book of the Bible has either prophesy for this time, object lessons for us at this time and instruction for God's people at this time.
Nope, never said that... you perhaps have heard of the multiple fulfilling of a prophesy theory? Each story, instuction etc. had it's fulfillment in a place and time for which it was intended but all of scripture speaks to us here at the end if time.So I'm clear, you are saying scripture had absolutely ZERO meaning or application to the people to whom it's books were directly addressed and first delivered to? (and every subsequent generation leading up to this one?)
The Bible was useless drivel to everyone in history before us?
That is your claim?
Oh... and didn't the apostles claim to be His "Last Day Peoples"?
Do you know something they didn't?
Nope, never said that... you perhaps have heard of the multiple fulfilling of a prophesy theory? Each story, instuction etc. had it's fulfillment in a place and time for which it was intended but all of scripture speaks to us here at the end if time.
Btw, you never commented on what I provided for you. You asked a specific question to be shown with scripture and so far I'm the only one thats done what you have asked... and then you question a post I made with someone else as your response to me?
Figure it out for yourself... maybe the cadre of prophesy scholars on here can help you with that.Did you leave out the scriptural connection to antichrist for a reason?
Figure it out for yourself... maybe the cadre of prophesy scholars on here can help you with that.
1John2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.And this person is properly, biblically identified as antichrist of 1 & 2 John based on which of those scriptures?
Hi Stephen, spelling tip, because I used to make the same mistake. "seperate" is correctly spelled as separate. "a " instead of "e". The way I remember how to correctly spell separate is to think of "apart". I read the tip from some online writing site - I forgot where.There is not a single shred of biblical evidence the term "beast" and Satan are one in the same. They are entirely separate and different entities. he Nowhere is the term "beast" used as one of the many names for the Devil. There is however irrefutable biblical evidence which proves the Devil, the beast and the false prophet are completely seperate individuals.
1John2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Hi Stephen, spelling tip, because I used to make the same mistake. "seperate" is correctly spelled as separate. "a " instead of "e". The way I remember how to correctly spell separate is to think of "apart". I read the tip from some online writing site - I forgot where.
Well, I live in the South, and that ain't necessarily true.....Did you know the word "ain't" is the Queen's English and is still used by the gentry of English society today. Most people in America erroneously think the word is a form of ignorant Southern "slang".. Lol.
Nope, never said that... you perhaps have heard of the multiple fulfilling of a prophesy theory?
I haven't heard that one for a while. Brings back some memories. Those old theories without evidence. Super convenient to help support an argument that's otherwise not supported.
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