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I don't have any idea whether you were obfuscated, or tricked with butter-dripping persuasive words,Is the spirit of obfuscation from God, Jeff?
If your faith still depends on human feelings of loss or such, from the flesh, from the enemy of Christ,Not much point having faith if you can't have faith in the restoration of a poor lost victim who died without knowing Jesus, now is there?
Dear Daniel: The angels who fell are in aidios chains of the Lord. I will leave them in their aidios/eternal chains of the One who does all things to His desired end.
A sheep is lost UNTIL the Chief Shepherd finds Him. He loses nothing, not sheep, not goats, not broken children of Adam one.
Nothing!
Funny you brought this up.Is the spirit of obfuscation from God, Jeff?
If your faith still depends on human feelings of loss or such, from the flesh, from the enemy of Christ,
from sinfulness, then
the faith won't be much help to anyone, will it ?
Are you suggesting that compassion for a rape victim suicide is 'from sinfulness and the flesh'?! Are you insane?
Are you suggesting that compassion for a rape victim suicide is 'from sinfulness and the flesh'?! Are you insane?
Compassion , Yahweh's Compassion, Ekklesia's compassion, true compassion, is healing, not devisive , though as Jesus says also: you think I (Jesus) Came to Bring Peace - I tell you no, but a sword - a sharp two-edged sword that will separate a man from his wife, from his son, a mother from her daughter.... (when one believes, and the other remains in rebellion)
Seek and keep seeking Yahweh's True Compassion, to bring healing to the suffering, if you wish to help someone...
ooops..... you just made a bad, a terrible, slip... (hopefully not a willful bearing false witness)....But 'Yahweh's True Compassion', according to you, is to bbq the girl forever. So is that what I should be doing?
ooops..... you just made a bad, a terrible, slip... (hopefully not a willful bearing false witness)....
I won't hold it against you in any case.... but try to not repeat it , okay ?
A good example of the UR ploy of quoting selective verses out-of-context to support their false doctrine. In the next chapter we read this....The universalist tradition begins in Genesis 18:18 with the promise that all nations of the earth will be blessed, and thenceforth saturates scripture from go to whoa. Looky here, just a selection of verses on point:
We did NOT get the rest of the story. Let's read this passage in-context.To complete the story, we only need to look to Rev 21:24-26, where the prophecy is fulfilled in the Eschaton, where God makes ALL things new - the kings of the earth and nations are purified and inherit the life of Christ.
But after the healing of the nations, which according to the UR-ites this is the whole world, the angel said,'And the leaves of the tree of life were for the healing of the nations' (Rev 22:2).
Jeff, forgive me, but you're talking nonsense. I'm going to bed. God bless.
Oh so the restriction of pejorative language only goes one way? Is that what they call themselves?Not so, der Alter. The categories are merely descriptive:
Damnationism because they believe in damnation.
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You'll get the hang of it.
“We all must die and are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again, but the Lord does not take away life, instead He devises ways for the banished to be restored.”
The risen Christ preaches to the dead
“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”
“Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit.” -Rotherham Emphasized-
Dead=
nekros= a corpse (from nekus)=
Breathed his last/ lifeless.
Deceased/ departed.
Destitute of life/ without life.
Inanimate.
Disobedient= apeitheo=
Not to allow one’s self to be persuaded.
To refuse or withhold belief & obedience.
To refuse belief and obedience.
Not to comply with.
Live= zao=
To be alive with resurrection life.
Again, context is important, for Christ clearly says that whoever does not believe will be condemned. Christ's descent into hell does not give way to universalism, but it's about Christ's victory over sin, death and hell. This is easily demonstrated in that Peter in the same epistle very clearly distinguishes between those who are saved by the person and works of Jesus Christ, and those who reject God's grace. Peter even writes: "If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"
Dear Daniel: Condemnation/ktisis is not damnation. Our God will accomplish His desired end in the ta pante. As the Father of all fathers, our Abba must correct all of us to bring us to His viewpoint & change and transformation. His correction is for one purpose only!
By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the…
Ex= The Source
Di= The Agent
Eiv= The Goal
The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.
ta pavnte/ ta panta, “in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming.”
**It is not in the limited sense of “nearly all”, “pavnte” minus “ta”
The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.
The prefix “re” means back again, again, anew–and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.
In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;… down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis
Nope. When Christ says: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." - The word "condemned" here is κατακρίνω; to judge against, i.e. sentence:—condemn, damn.
G2632 - katakrinō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (ESV)
Dear Daniel: You can "nope" till the Father's cows come home with the rest of His barnyard.
Do you know how many children under the age of 5 die every day worldwide? I do not know how many of them have been baptized, but I assure you our Father sees every sparrow fall.
15,000 (15k X 365 = 5,475,000)
Along with a vast majority of the people who ever breathed air. "O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever."Unfortunately, if that person believed in universalism when they died, that person is now in hell. Also, anyone who is swayed to believe in universalism based on that video or any post in this thread and dies in it will also go to hell.
Where did Christ state this?
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