Anti-rape device

[wanderingone]

Well, this person was talking about her doll being raped (as in, actually, physically, being forced to have sex), so I definitely think that she thought that her doll was alive. And that really creeps me out.

I think it was a troll who thought nothing about their sex doll at all.

 

[wanderingone]

I agree, this rape being "only power" is utterly untrue. There are many other ways to attain power.

Except for rapists, who want to extend proof of their power or find power where it doesn't exist for them in other parts of life.

Alot of rape has to do with uncontrollable sexual urges and acting out of lustful perversion, many of which are chemically induced(alcohol, cocaine).

No a lot of sexual mistakes occur during moments of chemically induced reduction in inhibitions, but a lot of rapes occur when people wait for their victim to become drunk or high enough not to fight off a sexual assault.

It also has to do with the media shoving sex down everyones throats, young peole being bombaded sexual with images from the media. Women who wear barely any clothing dangling their assests in front of everyone in public.

If only I had known that I could have prevented being raped by wearing more than a heavy hoodie and jeans... guess I should have had a burqa.

Same sex rape in prison is also the same thing, the people become so twisted and sick they crave sick things.

Prison rape is about establishing power-- a hierarchy of roles among the prison population. Consensual sex in prison among men who are not homosexual is sexual relief.. but not prison rape.

 

[wanderingone]

I would say pleasure plays a major part. If the rapist didn't think he was going to get pleasure from it, he wouldn't do it!

There's no indication that rapists get pleasure from the act of rape.

 

[Bombila]

Once again I point to the fact that many rapists are not able to become fully erect or [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]... fairly often the DNA found during rape exams indicate limited [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]... or no sperm at all. You may imagine a serial rapists to be somewhere toward the dominant but you'd be wrong. Serial rapists are usually not about S & M (which is an entirely different matter) They are not seeking a way to exert their dominant sexual nature- in fact fairly often they have pretty benign sex lives- they are seeking a way to humiliate for sure, but they would choose whatever act allows them to humiliate as pointed out earlier in the thread.

Plus one on this post.
Add to this, there is a spectrum of rapists as there are of any other kind of violent criminal. There are rapists who are powerless loners living in their mother's basements. There are rapists who lead seemingly normal family lives, wife, kids, low end job, picket fence, the lot. There are rapists who are wandering homeless predators. As often as not, they are impotent or nearly so, which is why so often they use objects to penetrate.

Their choice of victim often relates to a perceived resemblance of the victim to someone who held power over them, an ex- or present wife, boss - or mother, which is why older women, sometimes very old women are often victims of rape. And surely this last should put a stop (but it won't) to the blame-the-victim nonsense about scanty clothing causing men to rape.

And one more thing: someone back several pages ago repeated that hoary bit of fakelore about Vietnamese women inserting razor blades in their vaginas for the purpose of injuring GIs. It ain't true. Versions of this scary dehumanizing of the enemy female go back to the very dawn of warfare. If you think about female anatomy for two minutes, you would realize it isn't even feasible without the woman risking serious injury herself. I sure wouldn't attempt it. Also consider a GI that close to the woman isn't going to take such an injury 'lying down', as it were. The woman would have to be suicidal. Far more sensible, seeing as your enemy is so close, to use your trusty razor blade to slit his throat or something. No matter how many old warriors tell you they know this story is true, don't believe them. It is made up antiwoman garbage.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Incidentally, I watched a TV documentary where convicted paedophiles (who were in prison) volunteered to take a new drug that takes away your sex drive. The prisoners reported that all urges to rape or molest children had now gone, and they were pretty confident that upon release they would no longer be a danger to society. This would suggest that your sex drive does play a major role in rape.

Pedophilia is quite different from rape and pedophiles have the highest recidivism rates. Also, can anyone think of a reason why pedophiles in prison would say they aren't a danger to society any longer? They could've been given tic-tacs and they would have gave the same response.
http://www.atsa.com/ppOffenderFacts.html

 

[JCFantasy23]

Pedophiles are an entirely different matter. They ARE sexually attracted to children. There are rapists who prey on children who aren't really pedophiles, they just want to torture the easiest target. If one is acting on sexual attraction then yes drugs will help reduce the liklihood that the individual will seek out sexual activity. If one is acting out of rage and a desire for power not found elsewhere then chances are the offender on meds will still find a method to abuse and humiliate... to make victims out of someone.

True, not just a control and rage issue, but an unhealthy and sick desire they can't shake off. Taking away their sex drive would likely help many.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Plus one on this post.
Add to this, there is a spectrum of rapists as there are of any other kind of violent criminal. There are rapists who are powerless loners living in their mother's basements. There are rapists who lead seemingly normal family lives, wife, kids, low end job, picket fence, the lot. There are rapists who are wandering homeless predators. As often as not, they are impotent or nearly so, which is why so often they use objects to penetrate.

Their choice of victim often relates to a perceived resemblance of the victim to someone who held power over them, an ex- or present wife, boss - or mother, which is why older women, sometimes very old women are often victims of rape. And surely this last should put a stop (but it won't) to the blame-the-victim nonsense about scanty clothing causing men to rape.

And one more thing: someone back several pages ago repeated that hoary bit of fakelore about Vietnamese women inserting razor blades in their vaginas for the purpose of injuring GIs. It ain't true. Versions of this scary dehumanizing of the enemy female go back to the very dawn of warfare. If you think about female anatomy for two minutes, you would realize it isn't even feasible without the woman risking serious injury herself. I sure wouldn't attempt it. Also consider a GI that close to the woman isn't going to take such an injury 'lying down', as it were. The woman would have to be suicidal. Far more sensible, seeing as your enemy is so close, to use your trusty razor blade to slit his throat or something. No matter how many old warriors tell you they know this story is true, don't believe them. It is made up antiwoman garbage.

Thank you!!!!!! When I saw that legend I was like "Dont think I need a vagina to know that doesn't make good gynecological sense."

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

True, not just a control and rage issue, but an unhealthy and sick desire they can't shake off. Taking away their sex drive would likely help many.

Got mixed thoughts on that rooted in causation. Is the pedo abusing kids because he can? Because of power like a rapist? If there is sexual attraction, what is the cause? Is it from arrested development?

On a side note, anyone else notice how women are trained to maintain a hairless body like children?

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Ah, this brings back memories, are you the one that started that massive thread saying being a paedophile isn't an orientation because there is no consent? We're not going to agree, and this will go on for pages, so I'm going to stop in my tracks now and agree to disagree.

Wow! That was an unexpected and great compliment! Thank you!

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

There's no indication that rapists get pleasure from the act of rape.

Is this contingent upon the definition of "pleasure?" Earlier I said they get pleasure from the dominance but I hope people understood I didn't mean in the same way healthy people get pleasure from things they do.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Got mixed thoughts on that rooted in causation. Is the pedo abusing kids because he can? Because of power like a rapist? If there is sexual attraction, what is the cause? Is it from arrested development?

On a side note, anyone else notice how women are trained to maintain a hairless body like children?

Yeah, LOL, they had an episode on Sex and the City talking about that. I dont know on the pedos but I think from what I have heard it's less of a dominance rough thing than for adult rapists, although the control thing may play in there some too.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Yeah, LOL, they had an episode on Sex and the City talking about that.

I will boldy admit iam a full-fledged hypocrite on that issue because while I know it is wrong, I couldn't date a woman who could spend spare time braiding her legs. Think it's a great example of exploring the problem in trying to separate the inculcation of a normative construction from an innate property. I could easily say "I was born being allergic to hairy legs on a woman" but I know it wouldn't be true.

I dont know on the pedos but I think from what I have heard it's less of a dominance rough thing than for adult rapists, although the control thing may play in there some too.

Pedos don't generally exert physical force. Many have stated they are "loving" and not harming the child and M Jackson said "there is no more loving act than sharing your bed with a child."

Rapists and pedos both know it's wrong but a key difference is pedos create and maintain (what they call) relationships with their victims. Rapists aren't prone to asking their victims if they'd like to grab a bite to eat and play games at Chucky Cheese the day after.

 

[Bombila]

The desire of many men for hairless (lookin' atchyu, RDNS) women may relate to an instinct towards mating with young women who are fertile, young enough to be relatively hairless, and have years ahead to have many pregnancies. Older women are prone to growing more body hair. Or it may be strictly cultural.

If the former is true, however, pedophilia may in part be an aberration of this drive, fixating on partners who are too young to be fertile, as opposed to young, minimally hairy females who are post pubescent.

But I'm theorizing way outta my educational arena now.

 

[wanderingone]

Is this contingent upon the definition of "pleasure?" Earlier I said they get pleasure from the dominance but I hope people understood I didn't mean in the same way healthy people get pleasure from things they do.

Sexual pleasure in the way that we generally expect to get after sexual activity where both persons have consented to the act. I

I'm not sure most rapists get any "pleasure" at all.. even from the dominance and power... although perhaps in situations where rape is used as an ongoing method of control (in an abusive marriage, in conflict such as war) there is some level of pleasure at once again reinforcing the notion of control and the ability to humiliate. But I'd agree-- any pleasure or satisfaction comes from the act of violence - the feeling of being able to control another-humiliate them.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

The desire of many men for hairless (lookin' atchyu, RDNS) women may relate to an instinct towards mating with young women who are fertile, young enough to be relatively hairless, and have years ahead to have many pregnancies. Older women are prone to growing more body hair. Or it may be strictly cultural.

If the former is true, however, pedophilia may in part be an aberration of this drive, fixating on partners who are too young to be fertile, as opposed to young, minimally hairy females who are post pubescent.

But I'm theorizing way outta my educational arena now.

This is actually an interesting point that I have seen discussed elsewhere... paedophilia is one of the current invokable fears (e.g. you want to win the populist vote, declare a tougher stance towards paedophes) and to hear the sensationalist media and panic merchants tell it, there are paedophiles behiod every tree and under every rock, just waiting for their chance to pounce on the dear little kiddies... and yet, a vast majority of popular culture currently revolves around the aesthetic of young, skinny, women with small breasts, and, at a step more intimate, the removal of any or all body hair.

If paedophilia is such a disgusting, aberant behaviour, just why the heck are so many women trying to look like 14 year old girls, and just why are so many men attracted to them?

 

[cantata]

But they inherently state they are alive by claiming a "relationship." One cannot have a relationship with an object of derivative purpose incapable of consent.

I object to the use of the word "alive", because it has implications about the physical state of an object. People who are sexually attracted to inanimate objects usually believe that the object is in some way able to interact with them, but that doesn't translate to it being a living creature. You make it sound as if someone who has a relationship with a doll (or a stuffed toy or the Berlin wall) has weird delusions about the object "coming to life", moving, speaking, &c. I think that, as I said, the belief is more animistic: the person believes that the object of their love or lust has a spirit or soul, but they are under no illusions about the physical capabilities of the object in question.

Incidentally, I watched a TV documentary where convicted paedophiles (who were in prison) volunteered to take a new drug that takes away your sex drive. The prisoners reported that all urges to rape or molest children had now gone, and they were pretty confident that upon release they would no longer be a danger to society. This would suggest that your sex drive does play a major role in rape.

As others have said, paedophiles are sexually attracted to children. They are not like people who rape adults. They usually believe that they have loving relationships with the children they pursue. So the removal of the sex drive would of course stop them desiring sex with children, just as the removal of yours would stop you desiring sex with adult women.

On a side note, anyone else notice how women are trained to maintain a hairless body like children?

This is actually an interesting point that I have seen discussed elsewhere... paedophilia is one of the current invokable fears (e.g. you want to win the populist vote, declare a tougher stance towards paedophes) and to hear the sensationalist media and panic merchants tell it, there are paedophiles behiod every tree and under every rock, just waiting for their chance to pounce on the dear little kiddies... and yet, a vast majority of popular culture currently revolves around the aesthetic of young, skinny, women with small breasts, and, at a step more intimate, the removal of any or all body hair.

If paedophilia is such a disgusting, aberant behaviour, just why the heck are so many women trying to look like 14 year old girls, and just why are so many men attracted to them?

Yes, I do think this is interesting, and I also think (although I suspect I'll be shouted down here) that there's nothing particularly wrong with it, at least sexually. I think that a lot more men are attracted to girls below the age of consent than they tend to admit, for obvious reasons. It's simply ridiculous to think that girls only become attractive to the majority of men when they turn 16 (or 18, or whatever the age of consent is where you are). I'll put my hands up and say that I've occasionally been attracted to girls who are below the age of consent. Girls' bodies sometimes begin to get ready for sex as young as 11 or 12, so it's hardly surprising that a man can occasionally find himself attracted to a 15-year-old.

And you know what? I love to play the young girl role with a man. I have no qualms about playing up to those desires. If he wants to spank me and call me a naughty girl, that's fine by me. (Okay - it's pretty hot, actually ) I think that most men are perfectly capable of knowing the difference between expressing those quite normal desires within an adult relationship via roleplay, and statutory rape.

I think it's bad that, as a society, we condemn not only genuinely harmful acts, but also desires. Everyone has desires that they're ashamed of, especially sexual ones, and that is normal and to be expected, given the way that sexuality develops and that sex is treated in our society. I don't think there's anything wrong with fantasies of any kind - even fantasies about underage sex partners or animals or your family - because fantasy is not reality.

But, in any case, may I just add that there is a big difference between being attracted to girls who are just below the age of consent and who have developed secondary sexual characteristics, and someone who is attracted to very young children. Many men find women who look like 14-year-old girls attractive, but the same men are almost certainly genuinely disgusted by the fantasy of having sex with a 7-year-old girl.

Now, one final thing. (This is turning into a long post - sorry everyone!) Although I think that it's fine for everyone to have whatever sexual fantasies they like, I do object to the expectation that a woman will shave her legs and underarms. Men may reserve the right not to find hairy legs attractive, and that's fine, but women who choose not to should not find themselves stigmatized or considered unfeminine.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

This is actually an interesting point that I have seen discussed elsewhere... paedophilia is one of the current invokable fears (e.g. you want to win the populist vote, declare a tougher stance towards paedophes) and to hear the sensationalist media and panic merchants tell it, there are paedophiles behiod every tree and under every rock, just waiting for their chance to pounce on the dear little kiddies... and yet, a vast majority of popular culture currently revolves around the aesthetic of young, skinny, women with small breasts, and, at a step more intimate, the removal of any or all body hair.

The media makes the most money by exploiting fear so their ubiquitous paedophile is similar to bush's bin laden. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

The cultural fixation on young women may not be about sex as much as it is our collective denial regarding morality. By constantly staring at youth we can self deceive the fact we are much closer to dying of old age than they are.

The focus from politicians stems from the fact sexual crimes are the most prevalent in our society while simultaneously having the lowest conviction rates. The populace pushes for tougher laws to not only help prevent future attacks but also avenge their abuse and find comfort that even though their attackers may not get busted then at least more attackers will pay the price.

If paedophilia is such a disgusting, aberant behaviour, just why the heck are so many women trying to look like 14 year old girls, and just why are so many men attracted to them?

That mortality thing again and, especially for the women. For the men (sex sells obviously) and it's a combination of things such as easy prey, reclaiming youth like women, and the objectification of women. The young women have taut features which we are told are superior but really it's about individual taste.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Sexual pleasure in the way that we generally expect to get after sexual activity where both persons have consented to the act. I

I'm not sure most rapists get any "pleasure" at all.. even from the dominance and power... although perhaps in situations where rape is used as an ongoing method of control (in an abusive marriage, in conflict such as war) there is some level of pleasure at once again reinforcing the notion of control and the ability to humiliate. But I'd agree-- any pleasure or satisfaction comes from the act of violence - the feeling of being able to control another-humiliate them.

Great point and I'd guess rapists are too full of rage to be able to relate to pleasure in the way healthy people do. So for them, maybe the emotion is one of release, like a drug addict gets release from a new fix. All addicts I've known have admitted they hate their addiction but need that fix.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

I object to the use of the word "alive", because it has implications about the physical state of an object. People who are sexually attracted to inanimate objects usually believe that the object is in some way able to interact with them, but that doesn't translate to it being a living creature. You make it sound as if someone who has a relationship with a doll (or a stuffed toy or the Berlin wall) has weird delusions about the object "coming to life", moving, speaking, &c. I think that, as I said, the belief is more animistic: the person believes that the object of their love or lust has a spirit or soul, but they are under no illusions about the physical capabilities of the object in question.

I understand most don't claim a stuff animal is •actually• alive. When I said they inherently state that iam pointing out the contradiction of them claiming they are having a "relationship" with that stuffed animal, as if it is capable of reciprocation like a person. Iam not making any moral judgments and claiming they are bad people. Iam only saying it's nonsensical to claim a loving relationship is present.

Yes, I do think this is interesting, and I also think (although I suspect I'll be shouted down here) that there's nothing particularly wrong with it, at least sexually. I think that a lot more men are attracted to girls below the age of consent than they tend to admit, for obvious reasons. It's simply ridiculous to think that girls only become attractive to the majority of men when they turn 16 (or 18, or whatever the age of consent is where you are). I'll put my hands up and say that I've occasionally been attracted to girls who are below the age of consent. Girls' bodies sometimes begin to get ready for sex as young as 11 or 12, so it's hardly surprising that a man can occasionally find himself attracted to a 15-year-old.

And you know what? I love to play the young girl role with a man. I have no qualms about playing up to those desires. If he wants to spank me and call me a naughty girl, that's fine by me. (Okay - it's pretty hot, actually ) I think that most men are perfectly capable of knowing the difference between expressing those quite normal desires within an adult relationship via roleplay, and statutory rape.

I think it's bad that, as a society, we condemn not only genuinely harmful acts, but also desires. Everyone has desires that they're ashamed of, especially sexual ones, and that is normal and to be expected, given the way that sexuality develops and that sex is treated in our society. I don't think there's anything wrong with fantasies of any kind - even fantasies about underage sex partners or animals or your family - because fantasy is not reality.

But, in any case, may I just add that there is a big difference between being attracted to girls who are just below the age of consent and who have developed secondary sexual characteristics, and someone who is attracted to very young children. Many men find women who look like 14-year-old girls attractive, but the same men are almost certainly genuinely disgusted by the fantasy of having sex with a 7-year-old girl.

Now, one final thing. (This is turning into a long post - sorry everyone!) Although I think that it's fine for everyone to have whatever sexual fantasies they like, I do object to the expectation that a woman will shave her legs and underarms. Men may reserve the right not to find hairy legs attractive, and that's fine, but women who choose not to should not find themselves stigmatized or considered unfeminine.

I've had convos with friends about how if we're out n' about and if we happen to see a young woman we often find ourselves in a tiny mental moral dillema because we will see her body first, for whatever reason, but then try to guess her age by looking at her face and if she looks too young we feel guilty for thinking her very attractive. It's the "is it okay to look" thing that is pretty silly. If a young woman has a developed body we are going to look. The difference is between those who just look and those who act by trying to pick the girl up.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Sex drive is not what causes rape. It's because someone is too horny. There is no comparison between S/M relationships and rapists because those relationships are based on CONSENT prior to activity and sometimes includes a "Safe word" so if one person gets scared they say that safe word and the other person knows to immediately stop. Rape victims have no Safe word because they did not consent in anyway.

Here's a decent link and there are tons out there about the many myths of rape.
http://www.coolnurse.com/rape.htm

you don't know anything about what your talking about. Rape has nothing to do with sexual drive? are you serious?

Goto a hooker or touch? Do you realize many rapists probably have already done that? I have a close cousin who works at a prison and she says rape is both sexual and power. And that people rape in prison because their sexual urges become so strong that they will do anything for sexual gratification. Many of these inmates even continue their sick sexual perversions even when they get out of prison, many which were straight and only liked women when they first came in. Rape is a sick sexual perversion like pedofilia or homosexuality. Just like pedofilia or homosexuality, it is induced by social factors and how they grew up as children. Do you realize that a large number of rapes happen with alcohol involved? Its kinda hard to crave for power, less alone care about it, when your drunk

And of course I blame the rapists, but many rapists grew up that way because of social or family problems. Many rapists have been abused or raped themselves when they were young. Add that on to the sexualization of women in the media, pornography and zero morality being taught in society and you have a bad combo. And no I am not blaming women, but women today dress extremely immodest and dangle their assests in skimpy clothes, which in turns bombards the potential rapist with sexual urges and thoughts. what do you expect when you do that?