Anti-rape device

[cantata]

Oh yeah, I carry a Swiss Army knife - those scissors are *so useful*!

 

[4ng3l0fd34th]

I'm pretty sure I'd already feel violated if a rapist had got as far as being injured by this device.

It's not an anti-rape device. It's a stopping-a-rape-in-mid-flow device. Which is not really good enough.

My thoughts exactly.

It irritates me with how it just assumes that women are helpless. It assumes that the rapist is going to get close enough to a woman that he can penetrate her & she's not going to be able to do anything to stop him. It's really quite ridiculous.

 

[stan1980]

Oh no, everyone is throwing exceptions at me

Obviously, there needs to be a common sense approach, and you can't have one rule for one and another for everyone else.

Taking it one by one, carrying a keyring that acts a flail I find more than acceptable, although I would be worried for you that it might agitate a would be mugger, but if your self defence course recommends it, who am I to argue.

Knives that are used for the purpose of tools should be appropriately kept in tool boxes when not in use. As for belts and stuff, you're just being silly now

Carrying a stanley knife or a razor blade is a bit iffy since we can't ascertain whether you are carrying it for the purpose of hurting others or self harm very easily. Can't you just self harm at home if you're going to do it at all? I suppose if it is only a small razor blade, then I imagine it would be difficult to use as a weapon so it is just about passable.

Swiss army knives are a no no in my opinion if you are carrying them on the street.

 

[keith99]

I'm pretty sure I'd already feel violated if a rapist had got as far as being injured by this device.

It's not an anti-rape device. It's a stopping-a-rape-in-mid-flow device. Which is not really good enough.

Actually far worse than not good enough. Mid rape is too late, in more ways than one. It is like surprising a burgler already in the house. Even if he now wants to run he may not be able to. What other action? Oops it is kill or maim.

 

[wanderingone]

Why do people always act like these are dichotemous things? A rapist could very well be motivated by the desire to have power over people in order that he may take what he likes from them. Power IS a distinctly material-external motivation, to have power over someone is to have control over their persons and property. I think that, logically and psychologically, terming rape 'not sexual' in nature is dubious. The very fact that the rapist is aroused is very much indicative of its sexual quality.

Here's an anti-rape device:

A lot of rapists aren't successful at full arousal, and many fail to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. A lot of rapists use objects rather than their penis to sexually assault their victims. It's not "sexual" in the sense that in most cases rapists aren't responding to sexual "attraction" - usually what they seek to do is punish and humiliate - often women, sometimes people in general. If they are seeking sexual release most could find someone to get that with.

 

[wanderingone]

I came across this the other day: http://www.rapestop.net/index.asp

If I've got this correct, this device when inserted inside the female will hook onto the skin of the penis once penetrated by a rapist.

Anyway, is it a good idea for females to wear these? Anyone here tempted? Could it turn rapes into murders?

I believe it could backfire and cause even more violence from the rapists, it could result in rapists opting to assault by penetrating their victim first with other objects or forcing a victim to proof that she does not have any objects inserted. The rapist caught unaware could potentially be deterred momentarily - allowing the victim to escape, but I really could only see that working in date rape situations (and are women going to use such devices on every date?)

I understand the concept of the device... South Africa has a horrific number of sexual assaults and these are desperate responses to the fact that public education and awareness does not seem to help, i'm not sure this object would make much difference in terms of reducing the incidence of sexual assault - I'm not sure this prototype is intended to actually make it on to store shelves.

 

[wanderingone]

My question to this, though I can understand why no one even thinks about it, is how would a virgin use it?

What do you mean how would a virgin use it?

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

A lot of rapists aren't successful at full arousal, and many fail to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. A lot of rapists use objects rather than their penis to sexually assault their victims. It's not "sexual" in the sense that in most cases rapists aren't responding to sexual "attraction" - usually what they seek to do is punish and humiliate - often women, sometimes people in general. If they are seeking sexual release most could find someone to get that with.

I'll go a step further and say it isn't sexual at all. If sticking a finger in someone's ear was the most vile form of degradation possible then sex would not be used by rapists. Rape is not about sex because sex is not about rape. Sex is the consentual act of 2 or more adults capable of consenting. I don't see how rape and sex could be placed in the same arena at all.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Carrying a stanley knife or a razor blade is a bit iffy since we can't ascertain whether you are carrying it for the purpose of hurting others or self harm very easily. Can't you just self harm at home if you're going to do it at all? I suppose if it is only a small razor blade, then I imagine it would be difficult to use as a weapon so it is just about passable.

It's honestly not something I can choose to do or not. I don't want to have to go lock myself in the toilet in the pub while my mates are having a laugh, and come down with blood soaking my jeans.

If I was found with a Stanley knife I probably should be arrested because you're right that the police wouldn't know if I was looking to cause trouble or not.

 

[cantata]

Swiss army knives are a no no in my opinion if you are carrying them on the street.

You find this threatening?

Srsly dude.

 

[cantata]

My question to this, though I can understand why no one even thinks about it, is how would a virgin use it?

Er..?

Virgins use tampons, mooncups, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]... Don't see why they wouldn't be able to use this.

 

[stan1980]

It's honestly not something I can choose to do or not. I don't want to have to go lock myself in the toilet in the pub while my mates are having a laugh, and come down with blood soaking my jeans.

If I was found with a Stanley knife I probably should be arrested because you're right that the police wouldn't know if I was looking to cause trouble or not.

You have my sympathies, but yeah, I think carrying a small discreet blade in your wallet would be better.

 

[stan1980]

You find this threatening?

Srsly dude.

Hey, just because the example you have shown is pink, and no self respecting chav would be seen dead carrying one of those, doesn't mean that knife wont penetrate my skin and potentially kill me in the wrong hands

 

[praying]

Hey, just because the example you have shown is pink, and no self respecting chav would be seen dead carrying one of those, doesn't mean that knife wont penetrate my skin and potentially kill me in the wrong hands

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It beats a blank as they say.

As to your OP, at the point this device works I have already been raped and now like others have pointed out I only risk futher violence.

 

[sidhe]

You find this threatening?

Srsly dude.

In the hands of the Kali-Silat instructor @ UGA? Yes. But I'd find anything with a blade intimidating in his hands. I'd find a silk scarf intimidating in his hands, as I saw him disarm and subdue a man twice his weight and a foot taller in 10 seconds using one while sparring.

On topic: stupid device. I think collapsible spring-steel batons make much better deterrents to most anything. Collapsible spring-steel batons + Kali training = major deterrent.

 

[lawtonfogle]

What do you mean how would a virgin use it?

My knowledge of female Homosapien genitalia anatomy is lacking, but I thought that the hymen would stop the anti-rape device from being inserted if it was present.

 

[stan1980]

My knowledge of female Homosapien genitalia anatomy is lacking, but I thought that the hymen would stop the anti-rape device from being inserted if it was present.

Not everyone who still has their V-plates still has their hymen intact, at least that's what I was told. Not that I would have had a clue what the hymen looked like or how to identify it last time I slept with a virgin, which was many years ago.

 

[exxxys]

Not everyone who still has their V-plates still has their hymen intact, at least that's what I was told. Not that I would have had a clue what the hymen looked like or how to identify it last time I slept with a virgin, which was many years ago.

True. I didn't think I had one, but then when I had sex, I heard it RIP. I HEARD it. Wierd.

But yeah, I think weapons are good in some circumstances.

 

[stan1980]

In the hands of the Kali-Silat instructor @ UGA? Yes. But I'd find anything with a blade intimidating in his hands. I'd find a silk scarf intimidating in his hands, as I saw him disarm and subdue a man twice his weight and a foot taller in 10 seconds using one while sparring.

Sounds like handy skills to learn. I mean, I'm almost tempted to say women should be able to carry weapons and not men, seeing as it mostly seems to be *some* men who can't be trusted, but I don't think you can really have separate rules. Learning the skills of your Kali_Silat instructor seems like a much more sensible solution, although it is a shame people should even feel the need to learn self defence but this is the reality of the world.

 

[cantata]

Hey, just because the example you have shown is pink, and no self respecting chav would be seen dead carrying one of those, doesn't mean that knife wont penetrate my skin and potentially kill me in the wrong hands

Sure, but in the wrong hands, a wine bottle could kill you. Or a pair of safety scissors. Or a piece of rope. Or a pair of bare hands.

Someone who would be willing to knife you with a Swiss Army knife of the type that I carry would probably be far better off going for you with a broken bottle, or a big stick. The blade is about 3cm long.

My knowledge of female Homosapien genitalia anatomy is lacking, but I thought that the hymen would stop the anti-rape device from being inserted if it was present.

It would appear that if a girl can manage a tampon, she can manage that device.

For future reference, your question really would have been better phrased: "How will a girl or woman whose hymen is intact use the device?" Please do not conflate intact hymens with virginity.