EnemyPartyII
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Keeping blacks working on the plantations without pay would really benefit them too, since they wouldn't have to worry about things like money or where their next meal was coming from
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Keeping blacks working on the plantations without pay would really benefit them too, since they wouldn't have to worry about things like money or where their next meal was coming fromOh please, Im the one who is truely defending women. You just don't see how today feminists have hurt women and brought them down in more ways than one. Feminism today is destroying the feminine nature and innocence of women today in such a manner that marriage in the future will a total mess for anyone to get in and that women will no longer be able to identify with what they were naturally born with because it will be so suppressed because of secular society.
honesty is telling people the truth. And from your posts you definatly don't seem to possess it in any way. Jesus Christ is the truth and the only truth. And yes those were a great majority of feminist leaders and entitys like Gloria Steinem, NOW, margaret sanguer, etc. , a few hundred quotes, so please don't act like they don't exist. Why are you so ashamed of what your own movement says? Why are you and cantana so quick to dress it up in rose colored glasses? Why don't you let the quotes speak for themselves.
And if you knew anything about marriage you would see that the husband owns the wife and the wife owns the husband. Neither belong to themselves anymore because they have become one in marriage. Both spouses are property of each other and neither are unto themselves.
Oh please, Im the one who is truely defending women. You just don't see how today feminists have hurt women and brought them down in more ways than one. Feminism today is destroying the feminine nature and innocence of women today in such a manner that marriage in the future will a total mess for anyone to get in and that women will no longer be able to identify with what they were naturally born with because it will be so suppressed because of secular society.
Cantana, and you responded to the quotes in your usual evading sense. "Its taken out of context", or it "was written years ago", so please don't act like its a valid rebuttal.
Its easy to see the true colors of the feminist movement today just by reading a couple of those quotes.
When filthy murdering monsters like margaret sanguer say that its best to kill your unborn children and that children should be taken away from their parents and given to an institution you can't really cop out with "its taken out of context" when people say those types of things.
Its not hard to see that many of these people, espesially organizations like NOW are very sick depraved people who have issues with humanity and murder the innocent.
And once again...what I posted didn't get addressed. Instead, the same tactic of not addressing points coupled with an unbelievable proclamation that someone who has claimed women entice rapists now claims to be truly defending women. That with the same empty rhetoric that feminism is bad.
Also, when scripture spoke of adam and eve becoming "one flesh" it was talking about baby making. A child is one flesh of two people. Men and women aren't property in marriage either but the attempt to make them equal by claiming they own "each other" is pretty insulting. We know the position is women are supposed to be submissive to husbands so using your own words we can deduce the argument as saying women are property of men. Yep, that sure is some type of special way to defend women. If we were to define Feminism by the position spoken here then we must also say the KKK was the first Affirmative Action group in America that fought for the Rights of minorities, and especially black. They fought to resist the satanic principle of equality between the races just like bewteen the sexes. They really did slaves a favor by keeping them slaves because in doing so they were just following God. (That is not sarcasm...many slave owners justified slavery on the based of biblical pre-destination for blacks. Kind of sounds like the claim that God says women are supposed to be submissive to men.y
Quote mining in any subject is lame. It only shows that the poster isn't well read on the subject. Just because you provide quotes doesn't mean that you actually understand the topic at hand and that can lend to passing along not so accurate information. I had experience with this a few months ago while having a debate over whether the US was founded on christian principles. I found a list of excellent quotes that proved my point. In good conscience I had to investigate the source of the quotes and I found them to be mined out of context. To use them would have been dishonest.Cause you got people like Balaam asking for evidence every 2 seconds in order to make themselves look more dignified. Of course, they provide none on their behalf.
Cantana, and you responded to the quotes in your usual evading sense. "Its taken out of context", or it "was written years ago", so please don't act like its a valid rebuttal.
It's bigoted of you to charge a movement based on the opinions of a few.Its easy to see the true colors of the feminist movement today just by reading a couple of those quotes. When filthy murdering monsters like margaret sanguer say that its best to kill your unborn children and that children should be taken away from their parents and given to an institution you can't really cop out with "its taken out of context" when people say those types of things. Its not hard to see that many of these people, espesially organizations like NOW are very sick depraved people who have issues with humanity and murder the innocent.
Again your post shows how bible ignorant you are:
Yes, it is good to live a celibate life. 2 But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. 3 The husband should not deprive his wife of sexual intimacy, which is her right as a married woman, nor should the wife deprive her husband. 4 The wife gives authority over her body to her husband, and the husband also gives authority over his body to his wife. 5 So do not deprive each other of sexual relations. -1 Corinthians chapter 7
15 You know that your bodies are parts of the body of Christ. Shall I take a part of Christ's body and make it part of the body of a prostitute? Impossible! 16 Or perhaps you don't know that the man who joins his body to a prostitute becomes physically one with her?
The scripture says quite plainly, "The two will become one body." 17 But he who joins himself to the Lord becomes spiritually one with him
Now where does that talk about having babys? The wife is the property of the husband and the husband the property of the wife. They are one in marriage. And where does it say in the bible that blacks have to be slaves? Find me a verse..
"For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head;" 1 Corinthians 11:9, 10.
1 Timothy 2:11 states: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men. She is to keep silent, for Adam was formed first then Eve, and Adam was not deceived but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."
I didn't see any hate in her post. Your looking for it but your accusations are off the mark.typical feminist hatred.
I'm sorry, this type of thinking might work for some but you certainly cannot expect all adults to hold this view. People aren't things to be owned. Heck, I don't think any creature could or should be owned. It's one of the ugly sides of humans- "ownership". It's morally and spiritually bankrupt imo.And if you knew anything about marriage you would see that the husband owns the wife and the wife owns the husband. Neither belong to themselves anymore because they have become one in marriage. Both spouses are property of each other and neither are unto themselves.
The innocence of women hmmm. Come now, women are not children. And women have always come in all shades (just as men I'm sure). Women are/can be strong, intelligent, independent minded individuals. Some people simply don't like the idea of being pigeonholed into a sterotype, in this instance your stereotype. That's only for your wife to contend with, not the rest of us.Oh please, Im the one who is truely defending women. You just don't see how today feminists have hurt women and brought them down in more ways than one. Feminism today is destroying the feminine nature and innocence of women today in such a manner that marriage in the future will a total mess for anyone to get in and that women will no longer be able to identify with what they were naturally born with because it will be so suppressed because of secular society.
I'm not christian and I realize it's up to you christians to argue these verses amongst yourselves but here's a big LOL. You can stomp your feet and have all the temper tantrums you like but it's not going to silence anyone."For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head;" 1 Corinthians 11:9, 10.
1 Timothy 2:11 states: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men. She is to keep silent, for Adam was formed first then Eve, and Adam was not deceived but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."
Bold added by meOh please, Im the one who is truely defending women. You just don't see how today feminists have hurt women and brought them down in more ways than one. Feminism today is destroying the feminine nature and innocence of women today in such a manner that marriage in the future will a total mess for anyone to get in and that women will no longer be able to identify with what they were naturally born with because it will be so suppressed because of secular society.
And if you knew anything about marriage you would see that the husband owns the wife and the wife owns the husband. Neither belong to themselves anymore because they have become one in marriage. Both spouses are property of each other and neither are unto themselves.
Oh please, Im the one who is truely defending women. You just don't see how today feminists have hurt women and brought them down in more ways than one. Feminism today is destroying the feminine nature and innocence of women today in such a manner that marriage in the future will a total mess for anyone to get in and that women will no longer be able to identify with what they were naturally born with because it will be so suppressed because of secular society.
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So now you've apparently stooped to direct patronization of women.
Since when have women been "innocent"? Two generations ago? 10? During the Roman republic times? Perhaps the women surrounding King David were all "innocent", hmmm?
My dad talks about feminine nature as well and calls himself a traditionalist. When I attempt to probe into his meanings nothing really comes of it. I suspect that he has ideas of such women being...firstly quiet, obedient/unquestioning, delicate, etc. OTOH, as a woman, I see feminine nature as fierce. For example, a woman giving birth is certainly not quiet or delicate lol. She's raw, powerful and incredibly strong. That is a woman's nature.And please, explain to us this mysterious "feminine nature" that women have? I know, everyone probably has some idea of what you're talking about, but I dont like to read into what people post, so if you could directly explain to us this so-called "Feminine nature", I would greatly appreciated it.
and that women will no longer be able to identify with what they were naturally born with because it will be so suppressed because of secular society.
Bold added by me
So now you've apparently stooped to direct patronization of women.
Since when have women been "innocent"? Two generations ago? 10? During the Roman republic times? Perhaps the women surrounding King David were all "innocent", hmmm?
And please, explain to us this mysterious "feminine nature" that women have? I know, everyone probably has some idea of what you're talking about, but I dont like to read into what people post, so if you could directly explain to us this so-called "Feminine nature", I would greatly appreciated it.
The innocence of women hmmm. Come now, women are not children. And women have always come in all shades (just as men I'm sure). Women are/can be strong, intelligent, independent minded individuals. Some people simply don't like the idea of being pigeonholed into a sterotype, in this instance your stereotype. That's only for your wife to contend with, not the rest of us.
Your notion of innocence -- translated as ignorance.A person can be an adult and retain their innocence.
Honestly, every christian I'm friendly with is divorced. Both of my parents (very religous) are divorced. My husband and I are both athiests and we have an excellent marriage. It's rooted in mutual respect, love and maturity.And fortunatly my wife isn't worldly and vain like most women in the US are. However I've known a good amount of people who have had their familys ruined because of rebellious wives who have to same attitude as you and Balaam, and the sad thing is you don't see how harmful it is to most married couples, a marriage without God and the understanding of the roles in marriage is a Godless marriage that will have Godless results like divorce.
A woman who hasn't been around the block and dosen't let herself become defiled by secular society and vanity. You don't know what it is probably because you have suppressed it to such an extent that you don't even recognize it anymore.
And yes , women were much more feminine and respectful back then during those times. Not many women today have retained their femininity
A person can be an adult and retain their innocence. And fortunatly my wife isn't worldly and vain like most women in the US are. However I've known a good amount of people who have had their familys ruined because of rebellious wives who have to same attitude as you and Balaam, and the sad thing is you don't see how harmful it is to most married couples, a marriage without God and the understanding of the roles in marriage is a Godless marriage that will have Godless results like divorce.
I'm not sure what you mean by attitudes like mine. Rebellious? What in the world are you talking about? Rebellious against what? My husband is a full time graduate student and I am the bread winner. I love the fact that I can put him through school so that his dreams can be realized. Before his entry to uni f/t I was the student and he was the bread winner. We're a couple of scientists that hold a vegetarian/non-violent household. We've been fortunate enough to carve out a charmed life for ourselves. If and when we have children they will be wrought in compassion and responsibility.
I can't speak of most married couples or how they do things. I do know that the sucess I find in my marriage has only been achieved via our dedication to eachother with clear intentions and intelligent discourse.
A woman who hasn't been around the block and dosen't let herself become defiled by secular society and vanity. You don't know what it is probably because you have suppressed it to such an extent that you don't even recognize it anymore.
And yes , women were much more feminine and respectful back then during those times. Not many women today have retained their femininity
A person can be an adult and retain their innocence. And fortunatly my wife isn't worldly and vain like most women in the US are. However I've known a good amount of people who have had their familys ruined because of rebellious wives who have to same attitude as you and Balaam, and the sad thing is you don't see how harmful it is to most married couples, a marriage without God and the understanding of the roles in marriage is a Godless marriage that will have Godless results like divorce.
What is your wife's username on CF? Surely she would want to yell from the rooftops and tell as many womyn as possible how wonderful her marriage is because it is being followed according to God. Yep, looking forward to hearing how awesome it is to be married to a guy that literally believes the wife is to be submissive to her husband. Oh wait, won't that make her testimony suspect? If she is to be submissive to her husband how will we know if she would be saying what she truly wants to say versus being told what to say?
I can't speak of most married couples or how they do things. I do know that the sucess I find in my marriage has only been achieved via our dedication to eachother with clear intentions and intelligent discourse.
And yes , women were much more feminine and respectful back then during those times. Not many women today have retained their femininity
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