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[B'alaam]

A woman who hasn't been around the block and dosen't let herself become defiled by secular society and vanity. You don't know what it is probably because you have suppressed it to such an extent that you don't even recognize it anymore.

Wow, you really adhere to an idealized version of women dont you?
So, would you agree that man are no more "innocent" than women, given your apparent definition above?
Would you say that women "should" be more "innocent" than men?
Be honest.

And yes , women were much more feminine and respectful back then during those times. Not many women today have retained their femininity

LOL
Women didnt have as many rights "back then during those times".
They had little choice in playing the part assigned to them by enforcable laws. Your idealized vision of the past is just that- an idealized vision.

A person can be an adult and retain their innocence.

But we're not just generally talking about the innocence of "adults" here, we're talking about the so-called innocence of women (since you brought it up)
You seem to be opposed to women "losing their innocence", but you have yet to mention anything about a man losing his innocence, and until you do, dont try to play the "adults in general" card, and stick to the subject at hand

And fortunatly my wife isn't worldly and vain like most women in the US are. However I've known a good amount of people who have had their familys ruined because of rebellious wives who have to same attitude as you and Balaam, and the sad thing is you don't see how harmful it is to most married couples

And Ive known a good amount of people who have had their families ruined because of a man as well. Quit trying to foist the "destruction of marriage" onto the shoulders of women. Men are just as guilty for divorces as men are.

a marriage without God and the understanding of the roles in marriage is a Godless marriage that will have Godless results like divorce.

Hmmmmmmmm
I think the incidence of divorce amongst Christians has already been pointed out to you. Christians, btw, apparently have a higher divorce rate than atheists, and Evangelicals (most of whom in studies were Fundamentalists) have the highest divorce rate among christians.
So please, dont try preaching that a "marriage without God" is any worse than a "marriage with God". Apparently Christian marriages have pretty high "godless results" as well.

 

[Braunwyn]

From what I've read (scarcely) atheists have lower divorce rates because we don't marry at the same rates. Ime this makes sense. The christians I know married quickly. Both of my parents have been married 3 times and they didn't know their first two partners for more than six months when they made their vows. The same for my christian girlfriend. My atheist best girlfriend and myself were friends with our husbands for several years before deciding to marry.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Well, CiC could give her permission to post her real thoughts on the matter. Heh.

Reminds me...few years ago I was doing research to write a piece on how Christians used scripture to justify slavery. Well, I googled a phrase with those key words and on the first page was this personal BDSM site, which was basically just a Christian married couple where the husband broadcast the absue of his wife. Out of curiosity I sent an email inquiring how they used God to form their marriage. I was respectful and after a couple of exchanges they were both fairly open. But, after I presented information from scripture that showed they were slightly off track the husband sent an email and told me he ordered his wife not to correspond any further because I was a minion of Satan sent to deceive and trick marriages that were "truly" following God. The whole thing was mind blowing.

 

[stan1980]

Reminds me...few years ago I was doing research to write a piece on how Christians used scripture to justify slavery. Well, I googled a phrase with those key words and on the first page was this personal BDSM site, which was basically just a Christian married couple where the husband broadcast the absue of his wife. Out of curiosity I sent an email inquiring how they used God to form their marriage. I was respectful and after a couple of exchanges they were both fairly open. But, after I presented information from scripture that showed they were slightly off track the husband sent an email and told me he ordered his wife not to correspond any further because I was a minion of Satan sent to deceive and trick marriages that were "truly" following God. The whole thing was mind blowing.

Whenever any correspondence is cut short for reasons like that it would suggest something is amiss. I'd be concerned that is for sure. Not everyone can be bothered to sit their debating and defending their lifestyle, that is fair enough, but to cut you short for seemingly irrational reasons is worrying. I don't know that much about BDSM though, I was always under the impression that it is mainly consensual and if that is the case, each to their own.

 

[Mling]

Oh fun. Christian Domestic Discipline. A combination of two fine ideas that perverts both of them into something atrocious.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Back when? Is your age on your header correct? 26? Just how far back have you been a witness to women and their degree of respect (respect for what exactly?) Shoot I'm not a witness to all that much history and you're only a year or 2 older than my oldest daughter-- Who's becoming a minister... is that respectful or do you believe in that notion that women can't minister?

You'll find the answer in 12 Corinthians. No, women cannot be a minister, its against God's word. You know, actually trying to follow the bible instead of shape it to your imagination? Oh wait that part of Corinthians is against your beliefs, I guess we'll just rip it out of the bible.

*2 hours later and 500 ripped out pages of the bible*. Is this more suited to your belief now?

 

[CreedIsChrist]

What is your wife's username on CF? Surely she would want to yell from the rooftops and tell as many womyn as possible how wonderful her marriage is because it is being followed according to God. Yep, looking forward to hearing how awesome it is to be married to a guy that literally believes the wife is to be submissive to her husband. Oh wait, won't that make her testimony suspect? If she is to be submissive to her husband how will we know if she would be saying what she truly wants to say versus being told what to say?

My wife and I have been married for over 6 years now and we are very happy. Longer than you have ever been(oh wait your not married I forgot). Secondly I wouldn't marry someone who didn't value God's authority or the bible. Again you show more of your bible ignorance. God says the wife is to be submissive to her husband. Again it just shows how much you have a problem with God. And sorry my wife is a christian who values God and the bible not liberal rhetoric. Unlike you I value family, children and marriage.

So what qualifies as femininity, and what as vanity?

Is shaving your legs and underarms vanity or femininity? Is wearing high heels femininity or vanity? Is wearing skirts and dresses rather than trousers femininity or vanity? This is a classic example of male reinforcement of the madonna/harlot complex.

Well, you'll find it out in the bible. Women are to dress modest, without tons of Jewelry, fancy hair styles, revealing clothing. There are women out there who actually follow this you know.


http://www.achristianhome.org/ModestFeminine/ModestyFeminineAttireIndex.htm

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=14406


"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth (resembleth) unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination (disgusting) unto the LORD thy God " (Deuteronomy 22:5).

A women who wears men clothes is an abomination. Just as a men who wears womens clothes

1 Timothy 2:9-10: "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness."


A truely converted woman will contain a meek and quiet spirit. she will dress modestly and not be into costly garments.

But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1 Peter 4:4

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Reminds me...few years ago I was doing research to write a piece on how Christians used scripture to justify slavery. Well, I googled a phrase with those key words and on the first page was this personal BDSM site, which was basically just a Christian married couple where the husband broadcast the absue of his wife. Out of curiosity I sent an email inquiring how they used God to form their marriage. I was respectful and after a couple of exchanges they were both fairly open. But, after I presented information from scripture that showed they were slightly off track the husband sent an email and told me he ordered his wife not to correspond any further because I was a minion of Satan sent to deceive and trick marriages that were "truly" following God. The whole thing was mind blowing.

DING DING DING. Look we got another slavery = biblical morals argument again for this thread. Here have a cookie for getting the first one realdeal.

Now back to the debate

 

[B'alaam]

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth (resembleth) unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination (disgusting) unto the LORD thy God " (Deuteronomy 22:5).

A women who wears men clothes is an abomination. Just as a men who wears womens clothes

Define men's clothes, because Im sure I dont understand.
Pants?
Tshirts?
Sneakers?
Shorts?
Hoodies?
Sweats?
Kilts?

 

[sidhe]

Define men's clothes, because Im sure I dont understand.
Pants?
Tshirts?
Sneakers?
Shorts?
Hoodies?
Sweats?
Kilts?

I think it's perfectly clear what it says.

Ladeez no wer gais cloths, n gais no wer ladeez cloths. Ceiling Cat iz all liek, "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]! do not want!"

Srsly.

I'm still waiting on legitimate peer-reviewed proof of anything CIC says. I've smoked two packs of cigs since I asked. That means it's been almost a week. With the credibility he's established, if he tells me I'm a carbon based lifeform, I'm demanding a peer-reviewed study on it.

Oh, and "correlation <> causation" isn't a cop-out. It's logic. I wear black slacks almost every day. I also smoke Camel No. 9s. My boss wears black slacks almost every day. Does she also smoke Camel No. 9s?

 

[Chajara]

So, CreedisChrist, does this mean that you believe that I should submit to my man should he command me to go back to college despite the financial ruin it would bring us? Just because he's a man and I'm a woman?

Because I think that's sort of silly.

 

[Bombila]

My wife and I have been married for over 6 years now and we are very happy. Longer than you have ever been(oh wait your not married I forgot). Secondly I wouldn't marry someone who didn't value God's authority or the bible. Again you show more of your bible ignorance. God says the wife is to be submissive to her husband. Again it just shows how much you have a problem with God. And sorry my wife is a christian who values God and the bible not liberal rhetoric. Unlike you I value family, children and marriage.




Well, you'll find it out in the bible. Women are to dress modest, without tons of Jewelry, fancy hair styles, revealing clothing. There are women out there who actually follow this you know.


http://www.achristianhome.org/ModestFeminine/ModestyFeminineAttireIndex.htm

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=14406


"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth (resembleth) unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination (disgusting) unto the LORD thy God " (Deuteronomy 22:5).

A women who wears men clothes is an abomination. Just as a men who wears womens clothes

1 Timothy 2:9-10: "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness."


A truely converted woman will contain a meek and quiet spirit. she will dress modestly and not be into costly garments.

But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1 Peter 4:4

Funny you're so proud of your own six years of marriage, but didn't think to admire mine, when I mentioned I've been married almost as long as you've been alive. Oh, but my marriage doesn't count, does it? And how dare you assume someone you don't even know does not value family and children, even marriage! There is no requirement anywhere in the world to be a fundamentalist Christian before you can love your family and cherish your children, with or without some form of marriage.

As for clothing. Do you even know what people wore in Biblical days? Hint: none of your Disciples were wearing pants. Or running shoes. Or ball caps. I can hear your gears turning now, getting ready to tell me the Bible means 'male and female clothing appropriate to the times we live in'. Well, if that's so, you need to realize that most clothing outside of undergarments and prom dresses is not gender specific except in terms of the purely secular considerations of fashionable decoration. Dictating the kind of clothing someone wears and blaming that kind of controlling behaviour on God is beyond petty.

Who decides what is 'Biblically' male clothing or female clothing? Do you check your wife's blouses to make sure the buttons are on the proper side, in case she might accidentally be wearing a 'man's' shirt? How do you decide about kilts? It is, in fact, considered culturally inappropriate for a woman to wear a kilt, as it is a man's garment. Sure looks like a skirt, doesn't it, now? If she's out working in the back garden, you make her wear skirts? Must be hard on the knees, and cold in the winter, as well.

I have my own opinions regarding why certain Christians like to see their women wearing dresses and skirts, and it has very little to do with modesty.

 

[Braunwyn]

CIC, your posts are a perfect example of misery desiring company but any decent person would want better for their fellow humans. What ever it is you're doing is not working from where I sit. You're wasting your 20's, your youth, in anger and resentment. It's going to get you and your wife nowhere real fast.

You have the stones to judge others in this thread for not being married but having an opinion. People can have meaningful, love-filled relationships without the blessings from the state. If anything I give applause to those who have the maturity to wait, rather than making a life-time commitment as a kid.

 

[Braunwyn]

A women who wears men clothes is an abomination. Just as a men who wears womens clothes

O'riley? lol. Men's clothes? And what exactly are men's clothes? Wearing pants? hmm, I don't think it would be safe for me to wear a skirt in the lab given the compounds I work with. You would rather risk a person's safety so that they adhere to your warped view of what a world would look like if you were capable of being happy? But oh, I forgot, women r'ent smaat enough to work in the sciences. Using our brains just isn't in our nature. Gosh, I better go run and tell my boss about this reel quik...but shucks paw, she's a woman so she probably doesn't have the intellect to comprehend since her reproductive parts reside within. Guess we're just out of luck with that idea.

In your case I have to employ the age-old stereotyping of young males. We must consider the wind chill factor here as the temp (age) feels much lower than it actually is.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You would rather risk a person's safety so that they adhere to your warped view of what a world would look like if you were capable of being happy?

If you were at home in the kitchen looking after the kids like you are MEANT to be, you wouldn't have to worry about getting science on your skirt.

 

[Braunwyn]

If you were at home in the kitchen looking after the kids like you are MEANT to be, you wouldn't have to worry about getting science on your skirt.

Well, ya know I just couldn't have thought of that all on my little own. Me needs me a man (or a manly woman ) to shed the precious gonaddion light.

 

[Bombila]

Luvvamike, don't let CiC know baking is chemistry - or wait.. he'll have to start doing all the baking, lest the wife inadvertently get that icky science on her skirt!

 

[Braunwyn]

Luvvamike, don't let CiC know baking is chemistry - or wait.. he'll have to start doing all the baking, lest the wife inadvertently get that icky science on her skirt!

 

[JCFantasy23]

O'riley? lol. Men's clothes? And what exactly are men's clothes? Wearing pants?

Yeah, really, who defines mens clothes? Men,

 

[FrederickM]

If you were at home in the kitchen looking after the kids like you are MEANT to be, you wouldn't have to worry about getting science on your skirt.

I sure hope that was a joke, otherwise that's the most sexist thing I've heard in a long time.