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[PassionFruit]

typical feminist hatred.

Oh so it's okay for you to attack and defame anyone here who calls themselves a feminist? That's typical anti feminist hatred. And you have the nerve to talk about hatred after all the anti feminist BS you spew?

If you don't like the the that we believe in equality and the value of both men and women, then you can [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] yourself for all I care. That's the best anti feminists can do is attack people who call themselves such. By saying "they're obnoxious, they're attacking marriage, they hate God, they hate families, they're immoral, etc. "

There was nothing in that post that was filled with hatred, but your posts about feminists has been. So seriously I think you need to shut the [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] up.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Hmmm...well first off, some of those quotes are misunderstood. Secondly, marriage has been for the benefit of men. Look all the way back to Deut. for the evidence. If an unmarried virgin was forcibly taken by a man, that man had to pay her father some money and she had to marry the man. Ownership over women in marriage is still seen in our culture today. The father of the bride walks her down the ailse to "give her away" to her soon-to-be husband. The woman gets escorted by one man directly into the control of a different man.

Also, yes, extremism does exist in feminism just like any other group. There are Christians that use scripture to justify raping young girls but would it be fair to claim that select few represent Christianity?

misunderstood, lol. Its funny how once asked for evidence. Once you get it you buffer it and are like "oh its just misunderstood", "its not in context". Thats your answer to every evidence I have posted to you. If your not gonna actually read what these people have said and look at it closely at what their saying then Im not gonna bother posting any more evidence. yes "the best thing a parent can do to its family member is kill it" is misunderstood, lol, please. Please these quotes obviously reveal a diabolical plan of these people and are sick in the head. I sometimes even wonder if you truely know the people you are defending. Its funny how everyone gets all angry once I post the movements bad laundry.

Feminist leader cantana? Look at the quotes. NOW, Gloria Steinem, Frieden, etc. The people who pump you full of its theology and ethics.

Actually I'd expect better than that
I'd expect quotes from (as you put it), "most feminists"
Not just a few select so-called 'leaders"

Oh balaam where are you? you have disappeared after I posted a few hundred quotes of the people you defend? where are you all of a sudden?

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Oh so it's okay for you to attack and defame anyone here who calls themselves a feminist? That's typical anti feminist hatred. And you have the nerve to talk about hatred after all the anti feminist BS you spew?

If you don't like the the that we believe in equality and the value of both men and women, then you can [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] yourself for all I care. That's the best anti feminists can do is attack people who call themselves such. By saying "they're obnoxious, they're attacking marriage, they hate God, they hate families, they're immoral, etc. "

There was nothing in that post that was filled with hatred, but your posts about feminists has been. So seriously I think you need to shut the [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] up.

typical feminist. Angry, blaring bad language insulting others, telling people to shut up, attacking the messeneger. You just prove my point even more. Instead of attacking me, why don't you take a real good look at the quotes I posted and really think about them.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

typical feminist. Angry, blaring bad language insulting others, telling people to shut up, attacking the messeneger. You just prove my point even more. Instead of attacking me, why don't you take a real good look at the quotes I posted and really think about them.

I'm a feminist. I don't seek to insult anyone, and I like to think I'm open to contrary points of view.

So... what, specifically about feminism, do you have an issue with?

 

[B'alaam]

1. "The simple fact is....<snipped becuase the entire 'quote' response is completely irrelevant to my post that CIC is Replying to> ....It is clear these people want to undermine marriage, society, family and children. You don't have to be a genius to see the feminists true agenda here. They are greatly harming the stability of the family and of marriage.

"These people"
"They"
Did I ask for that?

Absolutely not
You really need to re-read my post, calmly and rationally if you can
As a matter of fact, I'll repost what I actually asked for and stated here (including all the points you oh-so-conveniently ignored)
All bold emphasis below, mine, to draw CIC's attention to what I was actually saying

Actually I'd expect better than that
I'd expect quotes from (as you put it), "most feminists"
Not just a few select so-called 'leaders"

So, Im assuming now that the following is merely your opinion, and not an actual fact, correct?- "Most feminists are not humble. They are abrasive, loud, obnoxious, support infanticide, and seek to undermine marriage."

I eagerly await you admitting that the above statement is not being presented as a 'fact'
Unless, of course, you have direct evidence that supports your assertion (opinion? fact?) that "most" feminists are as you describe them.

Now CIC, do you have the courage, the fortitude and the empircal facts to address my actual points, or are you just going to continue to throw up cow manure smoke screens for your apparent (in my opinion....no libel on my part) confusion regaring what my posts actually say and ask?

Cmon, you can actually defend yourself, point by point, against a "feminist".....can't you?

 

[B'alaam]

To heck with this, Cantata is right
This thread has gone from "thread drift" to complete derailment.

And I apologize for my contribution to it

Im creating a new thread, and everyone (even you CreedIsChrist) is invited to it

 

[cantata]

Instead of attacking me, why don't you take a real good look at the quotes I posted and really think about them.

I've done just that. Are you going to deal with it?

And let me ask you again, just to remind you: shall I quote Fred Phelps in order to tell you that you shouldn't be a Christian because Christians have horrible, hate-filled views?

"Hurricane Rita is an answer to the prayers of the suffering saints of Westboro Baptist Church."

"The Lord God Almighty killed [the people who died on 9/11], looked at them in the face, laughed and mocked at each one of them as he cast each one of them into hell."

"The President of the United States gets his jollies masturbating horses."

"Well, we wish it were 33,000 killed, but we are thankful for 33." (In reference to the VTech shootings.)
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What if I said "Oh! That's just typical Christian hate," and proceeded to publicly and vocally regard all Christians as hate-mongering, slanderous, murderous, insensitive morons like Phelps?

Or would that be unreasonable because you don't see Fred Phelps as representing you?

 

[David Brider]

Time for a Bill Bailey moment:

David.

 

[B'alaam]

Time for a Bill Bailey moment:

David.

David?
Thou doth rock, yea verily!

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Bill Bailey... funniest living Brit (The Pythons don't count, being legends, and Simon Pegg doesn't count since he took on an American accent)

 

[wanderingone]

typical feminist hatred.

And yet... I said nothing about hating anyone... who is it you would suggest my post expressed hatred of?

 

[wanderingone]

typical feminist. Angry, blaring bad language insulting others, telling people to shut up, attacking the messeneger. You just prove my point even more. Instead of attacking me, why don't you take a real good look at the quotes I posted and really think about them.

Cantata already provided an analysis of your quotes.. as I said before the words of one person out of context, spoken in reply to conditions 30, 30, 40 years ago do not express the thoughts of all.

 

[Braunwyn]

Cantata already provided an analysis of your quotes.. as I said before the words of one person out of context, spoken in reply to conditions 30, 30, 40 years ago do not express the thoughts of all.

Indeed. I saw the same copy/paste job by another member a few months ago that has a bone to pick with feminism. I don't understand why people bother with quote mining.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Indeed. I saw the same copy/paste job by another member a few months ago that has a bone to pick with feminism. I don't understand why people bother with quote mining.

Cause you got people like Balaam asking for evidence every 2 seconds in order to make themselves look more dignified. Of course, they provide none on their behalf.

Cantana, and you responded to the quotes in your usual evading sense. "Its taken out of context", or it "was written years ago", so please don't act like its a valid rebuttal. Its easy to see the true colors of the feminist movement today just by reading a couple of those quotes. When filthy murdering monsters like margaret sanguer say that its best to kill your unborn children and that children should be taken away from their parents and given to an institution you can't really cop out with "its taken out of context" when people say those types of things. Its not hard to see that many of these people, espesially organizations like NOW are very sick depraved people who have issues with humanity and murder the innocent.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Cause you got people like Balaam asking for evidence every 2 seconds in order to make themselves look more dignified. Of course, they provide none on their behalf.

Cantana, and you responded to the quotes in your usual evading sense. "Its taken out of context", or it "was written years ago", so please don't act like its a valid rebuttal. Its easy to see the true colors of the feminist movement today just by reading a couple of those quotes. When filthy murdering monsters like margaret sanguer say that its best to kill your unborn children and that children should be taken away from their parents and given to an institution you can't really cop out with "its taken out of context" when people say those types of things. Its not hard to see that many of these people, espesially organizations like NOW are very sick depraved people who have issues with humanity and murder the innocent.

How can any response be invalid? The plucking of a few extreme quotes while ignoring everything else sends the message that feminism is viewed from a pre-disposed lens instead of criticizing it from a decent understanding of what feminism represents.

Criticisms based on fallacies don't deserve any response and I offered a while ago for a one on one debate but that went unanswered. It's pretty easy to debate in a thread because valid points can be obfuscated or wholly ignored but in a more formalized setting that isn't so easy to do.

 

[wanderingone]

Cause you got people like Balaam asking for evidence every 2 seconds in order to make themselves look more dignified. Of course, they provide none on their behalf.

Cantana, and you responded to the quotes in your usual evading sense. "Its taken out of context", or it "was written years ago", so please don't act like its a valid rebuttal. Its easy to see the true colors of the feminist movement today just by reading a couple of those quotes. When filthy murdering monsters like margaret sanguer say that its best to kill your unborn children and that children should be taken away from their parents and given to an institution you can't really cop out with "its taken out of context" when people say those types of things. Its not hard to see that many of these people, espesially organizations like NOW are very sick depraved people who have issues with humanity and murder the innocent.

Cantata responded to each individual quote, I'm the one who said most of those quotes are old and out of context, there was no need for me to provide the same details Cantata already did. I imagine you just didn't see her post because I can't believe you didn't see her careful quote by quote comments, and she didn't just merely cut and paste a page from some anti feminist spam or website like you did.

And quotes are not proof. They are individual comments.

I am a feminist, you have indicated my comments are typical hatred... and yet I didn't express hatred toward anyone, it's no surprise that you can't understand why a page of quotes out of context are not proof of what you claim feminists are.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

misunderstood, lol. Its funny how once asked for evidence. Once you get it you buffer it and are like "oh its just misunderstood", "its not in context". Thats your answer to every evidence I have posted to you. If your not gonna actually read what these people have said and look at it closely at what their saying then Im not gonna bother posting any more evidence. yes "the best thing a parent can do to its family member is kill it" is misunderstood, lol, please. Please these quotes obviously reveal a diabolical plan of these people and are sick in the head. I sometimes even wonder if you truely know the people you are defending. Its funny how everyone gets all angry once I post the movements bad laundry.

Feminist leader cantana? Look at the quotes. NOW, Gloria Steinem, Frieden, etc. The people who pump you full of its theology and ethics.




Oh balaam where are you? you have disappeared after I posted a few hundred quotes of the people you defend? where are you all of a sudden?

What was unclear about my post? I said "some" of the quotes are misunderstood and I never defended all of them. I even agreed with you and said. "Also, yes, extremism does exist in feminism just like any other group."

So a few extremists were found. So what? Any argument that cherry picks the microscopic then extrapolates onto the macroscopic is an unworthy argument. I has not weight and no crediblity. It's like saying since someone has seen a worm in an apple then that must mean all apples are fruit filled worm condos.

I don't see any desire to discuss feminism at all. It's like a hit squad on women.

 

[Bombila]

Cantata deserves a huge commendation for tackling that immense quote mine. Many of those quotations were written or uttered a couple decades before she was even born. Thank you. As an old feminist, it warms my heart to see how well you understand the past and how it apples to the present.

Men and women are not enemies. Men (and the misled women who support them) who still think they own women and women's bodies are the enemies of women. Fortunately, they are far fewer than when I was Cantata's age.

 

[B'alaam]

Cause you got people like Balaam asking for evidence every 2 seconds in order to make themselves look more dignified. Of course, they provide none on their behalf. .

Only because YOU are the one making the accusation, YOU are the one stating what "All" or "most" feminists are supposedly stating.
Sorry to break it to you, but now, since YOU are the one making the positive claim, the burden of proof is on, you guessed it, YOU.


Now if you have a problem with that, then perhaps you can just admit that you cant quote "most" feminists, and admit that you were completely wrong in your blind, baseless, prejudiced assertions.

I wonder if you can at least be *that* honest

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Only because YOU are the one making the accusation, YOU are the one stating what "All" or "most" feminists are supposedly stating.
Sorry to break it to you, but now, since YOU are the one making the positive claim, the burden of proof is on, you guessed it, YOU.


Now if you have a problem with that, then perhaps you can just admit that you cant quote "most" feminists, and admit that you were completely wrong in your blind, baseless, prejudiced assertions.

I wonder if you can at least be *that* honest

honesty is telling people the truth. And from your posts you definatly don't seem to possess it in any way. Jesus Christ is the truth and the only truth. And yes those were a great majority of feminist leaders and entitys like Gloria Steinem, NOW, margaret sanguer, etc. , a few hundred quotes, so please don't act like they don't exist. Why are you so ashamed of what your own movement says? Why are you and cantana so quick to dress it up in rose colored glasses? Why don't you let the quotes speak for themselves.

Men and women are not enemies. Men (and the misled women who support them) who still think they own women and women's bodies are the enemies of women. Fortunately, they are far fewer than when I was Cantata's age.

And if you knew anything about marriage you would see that the husband owns the wife and the wife owns the husband. Neither belong to themselves anymore because they have become one in marriage. Both spouses are property of each other and neither are unto themselves.

So a few extremists were found. So what? Any argument that cherry picks the microscopic then extrapolates onto the macroscopic is an unworthy argument. I has not weight and no crediblity. It's like saying since someone has seen a worm in an apple then that must mean all apples are fruit filled worm condos.

I don't see any desire to discuss feminism at all. It's like a hit squad on women.

Oh please, Im the one who is truely defending women. You just don't see how today feminists have hurt women and brought them down in more ways than one. Feminism today is destroying the feminine nature and innocence of women today in such a manner that marriage in the future will a total mess for anyone to get in and that women will no longer be able to identify with what they were naturally born with because it will be so suppressed because of secular society.