Another thing I don't understand about the creationist position...

[juvenissun]

Sayings are not too relevant. For example, when somebody is really bad, we say "he is worse than animal". Does it prove something? No, its just a saying.

People can make more good than animals, but also more evil than animals. Animals have various degrees of development, but many socialized mammals have very similar emotions to ours, namely the ones we keep as pets.

Agree. That illustrates the difference between soul and spirit.
When a human whose spirit is "bad" (sometimes called "evil"), human can do bad things that no animals can do.

Human is created, not evolved. The "breath" of God is the key that makes human human.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Agree. That illustrates the difference between soul and spirit.
When a human whose spirit is "bad" (sometimes called "evil"), human can do bad things that no animals can do.

Human is created, not evolved. The "breath" of God is the key that makes human human.

What's the difference between a soul and a spirit? They're quite synonymous words.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Animals have "soul". That is what you are talking about.
You should tell soul from spirit.
Do you see the significant difference? If you don't, you can't tell human from animal.

Other than ill-defined notions about consciousness and feelings, there is nothing to either "soul" or "spirit", and humans can't be differentiated from the animals. We are.

 

[Astrid]

Animals have "soul". That is what you are talking about.
You should tell soul from spirit.
Do you see the significant difference? If you don't, you can't tell human from animal.

The difference between two things
you imagine to exist is entirely in your head.

 

[juvenissun]

What's the difference between a soul and a spirit? They're quite synonymous words.

Use an example to explain:

When you feel happy, and you smile to a person, that is a behavior of soul.
when you are not happy, but you still smile to a person, that is a behavior of spirit.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Use an example to explain:

When you feel happy, and you smile to a person, that is a behavior of soul.
when you are not happy, but you still smile to a person, that is a behavior of spirit.

Nope, that explains absolutely nothing.

Spirit and soul are synonymous and are often used interchangeably by many.

 

[juvenissun]

Other than ill-defined notions about consciousness and feelings, there is nothing to either "soul" or "spirit", and humans can't be differentiated from the animals. We are.

Every human cheat in many different ways to a different degree. That is spiritual.
We raised fire. That is a product of spiritual activity.
Most human cultures, if not all, are spiritual products.

We just wonder. What could make human do that?
It is all by the magic breath of God.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Every human cheat in many different ways to a different degree. That is spiritual.

This is a bit convoluted, but are you implying only humans cheat?

We raised fire. That is a product of spiritual activity.

Fire is chemical combustion. Spirits are not required. (Unless you are burning alcohol.)

Most human cultures, if not all, are spiritual products.

Other animals have cultures.

We just wonder. What could make human do that?
It is all by the magic breath of God.

Brains. Brains with self-awareness. No magic needed.

 

[Shemjaza]

Every human cheat in many different ways to a different degree. That is spiritual.
We raised fire. That is a product of spiritual activity.
Most human cultures, if not all, are spiritual products.

We just wonder. What could make human do that?
It is all by the magic breath of God.

Humans are more intelligent than other animals... but every trait you've described can be found in animals do different degrees,

 

[GenemZ]

God changes His mind?

God will at times present Himself as changing His mind because man will relate to it.

If God strictly related to man on the basis of his omniscience? It would leave us clueless and without any sense of direction.
It would make mankind frightened and feeling trapped.

Imagine God answering a question before you even knew enough to ask the question?

God, when needed and helpful, will relate to man in terms that men relate to comfortably.

Its one reason why Jesus is both fully human and fully God in union.
For God through Jesus, is God being expressed in our dimensions of perception.



The answer is 45.

 

[Tinker Grey]

The answer is 45.

The Donald is the Christ?

 

[GenemZ]

Use an example to explain:

When you feel happy, and you smile to a person, that is a behavior of soul.
when you are not happy, but you still smile to a person, that is a behavior of spirit.

That is way over simplified and misleading to the unbeliever.

Being 'spiritual' would be when one is made able by God's Spirit to supernaturally comprehend and understand prophesy, etc.
Its a state of being when one can properly comprehend the meaning of truth to be found in God's Word.

Much of what you refer to as "spiritual" is nothing more than opinion with one's emotions... It is not spiritual.
Its misleading, and not spiritual. It gives the unbeliever when being told such an opinion leaving them feeling
justified for rejecting Christianity. Christianity is not supposed to be vague..... even when not understood.

Being "spiritual" makes one able to understand spiritual truths from God.

But the natural man (being only body and soul) does not receive the things of the Spirit of God,
for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

1 Corinthians 2:14
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The words translated "natural man" in the Greek is psuchikos. It literally means "soulish man."



grace and peace ...................

 

[Bradskii]

God will at times present Himself as changing His mind because man will relate to it.

I'll just quote the relevant part of the post again:

'...so for Him to say one thing to you and another to someone else means He changed His mind'.

It seems that some people really believe it. So that the answer I get and the answer you get to exactly the same question might be different. Which is what I was asking. Why do people have different ideas about what God wants? The answer appears to be that He changes His mind.

I wonder how we then know which answer is the correct one? Maybe you know.

 

[GenemZ]

The Donald is the Christ?

No.. its an answer to a question you have not yet thought.

That is why God does not relate to make solely according to His omniscience.

I'll just quote the relevant part of the post again:

'...so for Him to say one thing to you and another to someone else means He changed His mind'.

It seems that some people really believe it. So that the answer I get and the answer you get to exactly the same question might be different. Which is what I was asking. Why do people have different ideas about what God wants? The answer appears to be that He changes His mind.

I wonder how we then know which answer is the correct one? Maybe you know.

I see. In my case, I was trying to make sense out of what I figured was reason.
But, what you quoted there? Seems he was being facetious.
I still am having a hard time trying to follow the logic of things being said in this thread.

 

[GenemZ]

Use an example to explain:

When you feel happy, and you smile to a person, that is a behavior of soul.
when you are not happy, but you still smile to a person, that is a behavior of spirit.

Explain how that is of spirit.

 

[Bradskii]

But, what you quoted there? Seems he was being facetious.

I'm afraid not. I had been asking why people were adamant they were doing God's will when some others would say the same yet do something entirely different. Seems he gives one answer to one person then...changes His mind and gives a different answer to someone else.

No, I can't work that out either. Except that it avoids admitting that someone is obviously wrong.

 

[GenemZ]

No, I can't work that out either. Except that it avoids admitting that someone is obviously wrong.

Its a typical occupational hazard of being a baby Christian....

For they know with all certainty something that they know you can not know.
(We know God is real)

But, they are not always knowing what needs to be made known to convey it .

 

[juvenissun]

Explain how that is of spirit.

Action reflects mood. This is shared by all lives that have sense (soul)
Action disguses mood. (another common example: you want something, but you say no) Animals can not do that. Only human can. Why? Becaue human has something more, which we call it “spirit”. Notice that human spirit does not always mean good, or Godly. It could also be evil.

 

[juvenissun]

I'm afraid not. I had been asking why people were adamant they were doing God's will when some others would say the same yet do something entirely different. Seems he gives one answer to one person then...changes His mind and gives a different answer to someone else.

No, I can't work that out either. Except that it avoids admitting that someone is obviously wrong.

Thank you for saying that. It is another example of human “spirit”. It is one of the nature which helped human to conquer the world (example, set a trap for animals).

This “talent” can not be evolved out.

 

[Astrid]

Action reflects mood. This is shared by all lives that have sense (soul)
Action disguses mood. (another common example: you want something, but you say no) Animals can not do that. Only human can. Why? Becaue human has something more, which we call it “spirit”. Notice that human spirit does not always mean good, or Godly. It could also be evil.

You think no other animal can deny themselves what they want?