Another Noah's thread (no stoning please :))

[Edial]

But, it isn't about you.


Its about claims being made on a video, and who is making the claims, and how not only has the secular community exposed Wyatt as a fraud, but also a section of the Christian community, including organizations such as Answers in Genesis, (who's agenda is to defend the YEC position), are distancing themselves from Wyatt.


See? It wasn't about you after all.

What a relief, eh?

Good meeting you.

But the thing is all they do is say that the Noah's Ark's location, and its huge stone anchors with signs and the size.
They do not disprove it.
All I am saying - see for yourself.
I do feel bad you cannot view this due to bandwidth limitations. Really.

BTW, I am searching now and do not see that his Noah's Ark was exposed to be a fraud.
No one is saying that.

What they are apparently saying that his claims on other things are too premature.
But not the Noah's Ark.

 

[TheBear]

I don't have much bandwidth left right now. So, I'm unable to view it. That's why I asked for a recap earlier.

 

[Seipai]

Yes, I would.
Just do not forget that in the beginning he is presenting some of the fake claims.
What would I give you in return? What do you want?
I want to hear your opinion and saying that this or that is wrong.
As I said, I am not an expert in this - but this thing seems like a real thing.

I might take a look at it.

Of course you know it was debunked before it was even made. There was no global flood, there was no Noah's Ark. It was all a myth, one that the Jewish people lifted from other cultures.

 

[CrazyChimera]

Considering the fact that the ark was primarily made of wood, wouldn't it have rotted away?

 

[Seipai]

"UFOTV"? seriously? Why would anyone need to go any further than that?

Debunked, done.

 

[Seipai]

Considering the fact that the ark was primarily made of wood, wouldn't it have rotted away?

Yes, what he found was actually a geological formation. An anticline if I remember correctly.

 

[Edial]

I don't have much bandwidth left right now. So, I'm unable to view it. That's why I asked for a recap, earlier.

Found this!

Wyatt Archaeological Research - Official Site of Ron Wyatt's Discoveries

Skip the Bible text and scroll down year by year how it was discovered.

 

[EternalDragon]

I might take a look at it.

Of course you know it was debunked before it was even made. There was no global flood, there was no Noah's Ark. It was all a myth, one that the Jewish people lifted from other cultures.

That's not what Jesus believed.....

 

[CrazyChimera]

Yes, what he found was actually a geological formation. An anticline if I remember correctly.

So, he thought it fossilized? Or did he mistake the stone for the ark?

 

[Edial]

Yes, what he found was actually a geological formation. An anticline if I remember correctly.

I posted to bear (just found it) a recap of this.
His bandwidth is low.
Just skip the Bible texts and scroll down straight to the chronology of the discoveries ... but the video is better.
Wyatt Archaeological Research - Official Site of Ron Wyatt's Discoveries

 

[Edial]

"UFOTV"? seriously? Why would anyone need to go any further than that?

Debunked, done.

 

[CrazyChimera]

That's not what Jesus believed.....

Belief can be powerful, justified or not. I can't say I know for sure if Jesus was right or wrong, but his belief had an impact nonetheless. Likewise, evolution has also made an impact. Perhaps it isn't possible for both ideas to coexist, but no one can deny the effect each has had on society.

 

[TheBear]

Good meeting you.

Nice meeting you, too.

But the thing is all they do is say that the Noah's Ark's location, and its huge stone anchors with signs and the size.

Ever heard of 'confirmation bias'?


That aside, and in the interest of getting to know each other better, I have to ask the more important question. Do you honestly believe that the biblical flood was a real, historical event?

 

[Seipai]

That's not what Jesus believed.....

Jesus spoke in allegories all of the time. How do you know that his references to Noah were only about the history of the Jews and not what actually happened?

 

[Edial]

Nice meeting you, too.



Ever heard of 'conformation bias'?


That aside, and in the interest of getting to know each other better, I have to ask the more important question. Do you honestly believe that the biblical flood was a real historical event?

If I say "yes" does that mean we stop getting to know each other better.

 

[46AND2]

But who said that faith must defy logic?
Tell me, what is so unreasonable that there is another form of life that created us?

Why must faith defy logic?

I can give MANY examples, many of which you may not adhere to. But one that is pretty universal among Christians is the idea that an infinite being (Jesus) can significantly experience finite suffering.

Another one is the idea that an omnipotent creator imbibes us with free will. If he can create any universe he wants, with infinite possibilities, but chooses to make this specific one, how can we make any choice but the one he knew the result of when he chose to create this universe?

The 3=1 trinity.

Jesus=100% man and 100% god

God is omnipotent, but can't lie

etc.

Oh, one might think it is unbelievable that there is another life form.
OK. I accept that.
But it certainly not unreasonable.

I'm not against the possibility. Just haven't seen the one that makes any sense, logically.

 

[EternalDragon]

Jesus spoke in allegories all of the time. How do you know that his references to Noah were only about the history of the Jews and not what actually happened?

Well, you accept Jesus as lord of your life, accept his death on the
cross as payment for your sins, repent and turn from those sins,
and you receive the holy spirit that helps you learn things. Then
you go read and study the bible.

That is how you will know the truth.

 

[CrazyChimera]

Well, you accept Jesus as lord of your life, accept his death on the
cross as payment for your sins, repent and turn from those sins,
and you receive the holy spirit that helps you learn things. Then
you go read and study the bible.

That is how you will know the truth.

How is he supposed to do that without reading the bible? How can someone understand Jesus without the primary source of information?

 

[TheBear]

If I say "yes" does that mean we stop getting to know each other better.

Not at all.


This doesn't mean I won't be challenging your claims, however.



I'm still waiting for the specifics of the video, since I'm unable to watch it and request a recap of the video, (for the 3rd time).

Fair's fair. So, let me tell you a little about myself. I speak for myself and on my own behalf. The only common denominator between atheists, is a lack of belief in god(s). Beyond that, atheists are quite a diverse group. I don't dialogue in group think. I don't subscribe to any creed or dogma. You are entitled to your own opinions, and you have a right to express those opinions. I don't discuss the individual, (usually). I discuss the claims, notions and ideas they bring to the table.


What are some specific claims in the video? I'd like to know.

 

[Edial]

Not at all.


This doesn't mean I won't be challenging your claims, however.



I'm still waiting for the specifics of the video, since I'm unable to watch it and request a recap of the video, (for the 3rd time).

Fair's fair. So, let me tell you a little about myself. I speak for myself and on my own behalf. The only common denominator between atheists, is a lack of belief in god(s). Beyond that, atheists are quite a diverse group. I don't dialogue in group think. I don't subscribe to any creed or dogma. You are entitled to your own opinions, and you have a right to express those opinions. I don't discuss the individual, (usually). I discuss the claims, notions and ideas they bring to the table.


What are some specific claims in the video? I'd like to know.

I posted it in that other post...