Another look at the moon landing.

[Apple Sky]

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The astronomy system is heavily deceptive Amazon.com

Kings Dethroned: A History of the Evolution of Astronomy from the Time of the Roman Empire up to the present day. Thanks - I will order this book off eBay as it's unavailable on Amazon.

 

[Hentenza]

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The astronomy system is heavily deceptive Amazon.com

That does it. Based on the absolute truth taught in this book I am no longer a heliocentric believer. Wow what was I thinking.

 

[Hentenza]

Kings Dethroned: A History of the Evolution of Astronomy from the Time of the Roman Empire up to the present day. Thanks - I will order this book off eBay as it's unavailable on Amazon.

Of course you would. Never mind ordering a book that might actually teach you something.

 

[Strong in Him]

So I spelled it wrong, what's your problem ?

It's a different word.
And you've been told your info is wrong.

 

[Apple Sky]

And you've been told your info is wrong.

Why is it ?

 

[Kathleen30]

You obviously didn't bother to follow the links. By the time the laser reaches the moons surface it is no longer a narrow beam but is striking a large area of the moon's curved surface, so what is sent as a brief pulse of light gets reflected back as a longer pulse, as some of light has travelled further and takes a bit longer to return. Thus it does not result in high accuracy. With the retroreflectors they are able to get a strong reflection from a very small area that is distinct from the laser light reflected off the moon's surface, without the blurred time interval, greatly increasing the accuracy of their measurements.

Without the reflectors they get a noisy, time blurred reflection from a broad area of the moons surface. With the reflectors they get a clear, sharp reflection from a precise location on the moon's surface.

You say it

You obviously didn't bother to follow the links. By the time the laser reaches the moons surface it is no longer a narrow beam but is striking a large area of the moon's curved surface, so what is sent as a brief pulse of light gets reflected back as a longer pulse, as some of light has travelled further and takes a bit longer to return. Thus it does not result in high accuracy. With the retroreflectors they are able to get a strong reflection from a very small area that is distinct from the laser light reflected off the moon's surface, without the blurred time interval, greatly increasing the accuracy of their measurements.

Without the reflectors they get a noisy, time blurred reflection from a broad area of the moons surface. With the reflectors they get a clear, sharp reflection from a precise location on the moon's surface.

Well Prodromos I certainly did follow the links. You write ( by the time the laser reaches the moons surface it is no longer a narrow beam but is now striking a large area of the moons curved surface, so what is sent as a brief pulse of light gets reflected back as a longer pulse as some of light has traveled further and takes a longer to return. ) I would say to that every laser bounce from the observatory to the moon is back in well under 10 seconds including the alleged reflectors there is no little extra time. You then say ( thus it does not result in high accuracy from a precise location) ) that is what tell us. But Prodromos the issue is could the astronauts have survived the Van Ellen’s belt to even set foot on the moon to set up the reflectors when considering that no astronaut has gone through the Ven Ellen’s belt in 50 years to further exploration and we now have advanced 5 times in technology to do so.

I sorry i not trust. More so with all the discrepancies. You certainly have reflectors upon the moon. But they be from unmanned flights like from the Russian Lunokhods in 1970 and 73 and the chandrayan in 2023. And me does think upon the Myth busters. It is when they visit the Apache point observatory. The video is called ( it’s all about the moon )U - tube 42nd minute mark . Adam Savage from the myth busters is there to see if you can bounce a laser off the reflector from the observatory to the moon. But He doesn't even know that you can bounce lasers off the moon but that is not what concerns me. What concerns me is when Dr Mac milline performs the test you don’t get bounce back from the moon but you get a bounce back from the reflector. And that is telling. Because back in 1962 at the Lincoln observatory they were bouncing lasers off the moon. So someone is certainly screwing the data and the test for no moon bounce to come back to the Apache observatry. That’s all me say for now

 

[Apple Sky]

Of course you would. Never mind ordering a book that might actually teach you something.

I've just now ordered it.

 

[Hentenza]

I've just now ordered it.

To your demise.

 

[Hentenza]

I've just now ordered it.

You should have ordered this one.

How We Got to the Moon: The People, Technology, and Daring Feats of Science Behind Humanity's Greatest Adventure Illustrated Edition​

Amazon.com

 

[d taylor]

Kings Dethroned: A History of the Evolution of Astronomy from the Time of the Roman Empire up to the present day. Thanks - I will order this book off eBay as it's unavailable on Amazon.

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Do you mean unavailable in your area.

 

[prodromos]

The astronomy system is heavily deceptive Amazon.com

Seeing as we have sent multiple probes to the moon, to Venus, Mars and other planets with incredible accuracy, I'm pretty confident that Gerrard Hickson is not correct in his assessment.

 

[prodromos]

But Prodromos the issue is could the astronauts have survived the Van Ellen’s belt to even set foot on the moon to set up the reflectors when considering that no astronaut has gone through the Ven Ellen’s belt in 50 years to further exploration and we now have advanced 5 times in technology to do so.

It isn't an issue. I've been exposed to a lot more radiation with all the x-rays and scans I've had done than the astronauts were in those few hours. I am now in my 60's and still in pretty decent health. No cancers or extra appendages growing anywhere.

 

[Kathleen30]

The trajectory is never “the long way”. it does take less than an hour to cross it since the e typical velocity of the aircraft is over 25000 mph.

The total amount of rads that the astronauts get is 13 which is well within the 300 rads maximum. BTW- everything is studied before crewed spacecraft are sent anywhere. The early uncrewed Apollo missions were test missions where all sorts of testing equipment were in use. Before a crewed mission passed through the belt NASA knew exactly what the effects on the astronauts would be. The testing determined the trajectory, velocity, and amount of shielding needed to cross the belt safely.

The telemetry tapes were lost but because of the nature of computing during those days. But that is really inconsequential because the telemetry, being unencrypted, was followed internationally by a plethora of scientists and amateurs.

Secondly, my father in law actually worked on the Apollo program. I have his testimony, and the testimony of his friends that worked with him. I also have a tremendous amount of memorabilia from the missions. I am also an engineer that worked for Boeing briefly in the 80’s and worked on some of the shuttle components. Among the benefits of the Apollo program was the advance real time studies of components and materials that were used in space.

Thirdly, there is a tremendous amount of evidence that people actually landed on the moon. The lunar lander landing stages for the 6 missions that landed on the moon are still there as well as the flags that each mission planted. In fact, the flag from Apollo 11 fell because they put it too close to the ascend stage and got knocked down. The rest of the missions put it further away so they stand to this day.

Fourthly, the reflectors left on the lunar surface by three of the missions are still in use today. How did they get there if we did not land on the moon?

Of course there is also the 842 pounds of moon rocks brought back by the 6 missions collectively.

Look, faking the telemetry alone would have been impossible. The comprehensive multiple streams of data using unique frequencies alone would have been impossible to replicate from a studio on earth to make it appear that it was coming from the moon. They would have to factor the 1.2 second lag in communication because of the distance. Not only that but they would need to fake it in such a way that it reached the global network of receivers, California, Australia, and Spain among many, at the same time and with the same lag. We can’t even do that now with our advanced technologies. Also if the frequency was coming from earth Russia would have exposed it immediately.

So the evidence that there was no deception is irrefutable and absolute. Twelve men actually landed on the moon. The next stage of the Artemis program will launch April 2026 and will bring a crew of astronauts to the moon and back. You can watch that one yourself when it happens.

Well Hentenza as me has to remind you. Even with less radiation and the quickest route you’re still going into a sea of radiation with the Van Ellen belt . And metal is something that sends radiation berserk . And they even have certian metal makeups within their space suit including their space helmet. Your stats say from the unmanned space craft only 13 rads others would disagree. Other scientists say anywhere from 600 rads to 1100 rads there also be the solar flares. You might like to watch on U tube . ( Radiation reloaded the complete series ) it goes into some on the future Artemis future flights you mentioned and there also be a series of short filme called ( radioactive anomaly .)

As to the moon rocks that would depend if we ever made it to the moon. Would you believe they claim the moon rocks to be over 4 billion years .old. And considering that creation only goes back some 7000 yrs. I do wonder if these people have ever counted 4 billion years ?

 

[d taylor]

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Science claims are faith base, people who believe what science states (like going to the moon, etc..). These claims are believed by a person having faith in people, institutions and Governments and what they have claimed to have done or doing.

 

[Kathleen30]

It isn't an issue. I've been exposed to a lot more radiation with all the x-rays and scans I've had done than the astronauts were in those few hours. I am now in my 60's and still in pretty decent health. No cancers or extra appendages growing anywhere.

Ok Prodromos we make you a prime candidate for the next flight on the Artemis ‍: )

 

[Hentenza]

Well Hentenza as me has to remind you. Even with less radiation and the quickest route you’re still going into a sea of radiation with the Van Ellen belt . And metal is something that sends radiation berserk . And they even have certian metal makeups within their space suit including their space helmet. Your stats say from the unmanned space craft only 13 rads others would disagree. Other scientists say anywhere from 600 rads to 1100 rads there also be the solar flares. You might like to watch on U tube . ( Radiation reloaded the complete series ) it goes into some on the future Artemis future flights you mentioned and there also be a series of short filmed called ( radioactive anomaly .) View attachment 371586 As to the moon rocks that would depend if we ever made to the moon. Would you believe they claim the moon rocks to be over 4 billion years .old. And considering that creation only goes back some 7000 yrs. I do wonder if these people have ever counted 4 billion years ?

Well, none of the astronauts that went to the moon developed illnesses consistent with radiation exposure nor any one of them suffered an early death because of it. The end total radiation that were on their skin ranged from .18 to 1.14 rads which is no different than on earth. The shielding, speed, and trajectory worked flawlessly. If the “other” scientist that you spoke off were correct then the astronauts would have developed cancers and other radiation related illnesses. So the proof is the fact that none of them developed radiation exposure illnesses.

 

[Hentenza]

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Science claims are faith base, people who believe what science states (like going to the moon, etc..). These claims are believed by a person having faith in people, institutions and Governments and what they have claimed to have done or doing.

Nonsense. The scientific method leads to repeatable and verifiable data. Conspiracy theories on the other hand leads to absurdity.

 

[d taylor]

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Astronauts, like most scientists, accept that the Earth is approximately 4.54 billion years old based on extensive geological and astronomical evidence. This age is supported by methods such as radiometric dating of rocks and meteorites, which provide a consistent timeline for the formation of the Earth and the solar system. Wikipedia The Planetary Society

Age of the Earth According to Science​

Scientific Consensus​

Astronauts, like many scientists, accept that the Earth is approximately 4.54 billion years old. This estimate is based on extensive research, including radiometric age-dating of meteorites and lunar samples. These methods provide a reliable framework for understanding the age of our planet and the solar system.

Formation of the Earth​

The Earth formed from a rotating disk of gas and dust around the young Sun about 4.6 billion years ago. This process involved the accumulation of material through collisions and gravitational attraction, leading to the formation of the planet as we know it today.

Comparison with Young Earth Creationism​

In contrast, some belief systems, such as Young Earth Creationism, assert that the Earth is only 6,000 to 10,000 years old. This view is based on literal interpretations of religious texts, particularly the Bible. However, this perspective contradicts established scientific evidence and is not supported by the broader scientific community.

Conclusion​

The overwhelming scientific evidence supports the view that the Earth is billions of years old, a belief shared by astronauts and scientists alike. This understanding is crucial for comprehending Earth's history, geological processes, and the evolution of life.

 

[David Lamb]

Using a sexton they could calculate this figure.

A sexton? How would a bell-ringer/grave-digger help calculate it?

 

[Aaron112]

The overwhelming scientific evidence supports the view that the Earth is billions of years old, a belief shared by astronauts and scientists alike. This understanding is crucial for comprehending Earth's history, geological processes, and the evolution of life.

If they had some of the grape juice (wine) that were made from water, how old would they find it to be ? yet it did not exist before the slaves obeyed Jesus and filled the jugs with water.