Another look at the moon landing.

[trophy33]

Oh sorry - For TV's to pick up the signals.

? Are you asking why are they so big? Or what?

 

[Strong in Him]

You were asking about Australia receiving the signal from the Moon. Why do you change the topic?

She does this every time someone says something she doesn't like, can't disprove or shows that she doesn't know what she is talking about.
Change the subject, or mock.

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes OK David I believe you

You clearly don't, or you wouldn't post a laughing, bouncing emoji.

 

[The Liturgist]

The dishes in Australia and elsewhere are called antennae, just so everyone is aware. They are microwave antennae which are pointed in the direction of the satellite, or in the case of moving spacecraft like the Apollo mission, Apollo would point its antennae at them.

Some of these sites now form part of the system of American, European, Japanese and former Soviet antennae used to communicate with the ISS and orbiting spacecraft, except for those of China which doesn’t cooperate with NASA or Roscosmos but rather does its own thing for both propaganda and strategic military reasons, and others comprise parts of the Deep Space Network operated by JPL, which is used both in support of manned spaceflight and unmanned probes including among others the Voyager probes; indeed last year some very good programming was used to patch Voyager 1 on the fly after one of the memory modules on the computer controlling its scientific instruments failed (the main computers use core memory, but the computer you interface with used then state-of-the-art DRAM, but the way Voyager works is that there is no distinction between memory and storage; the software exists in only DRAM and is powered from the radioisotope thermal generator so power cannot be interrupted to it and they will remain energized as long as the spacecraft has power, however, this proved to be a really bad design since it made it impossible to reset malfunctioning memory modules since you can’t interrupt power to them, and there is no offline storage of programs; additionally we have no remaining machines of the same architecture or configuration as the flight computers on Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 or even any emulators or simulators, so Voyager 1 had to be reprogrammed while running using documentation left by a now deceased member of the team on the 1990s on how to bootstrap an emergency “hello world” program, and other documentation about the functioning of the system and examples of the assembly language code, which they did have an example of; they were not flying completely blind but the reactivation of Voyager 1 was impressive, especially since they were basically only able to send a message to it about once per week, and it took 44 hours to receive a reply.

 

[David Lamb]

Oh sorry - For TV's to pick up the signals.

Surely you don't expect a TV camera pointed at the moon to be able to see something the size of a man?

 

[David Lamb]

Yes OK David I believe you

You mean you believe the quote I posted saying that Nixon's phone conversation took place via Mission Control? If so, why do you keep talking about Nixon making a phone call to the moon on his landline phone, in a way that makes it seem you believe somebody is claiming that his phone was connected by phone wires to the astronauts on the moon?

 

[Radagast]

Appropriate in what context? Heaven is "up above the clouds" only in the context of the flat earth cosmology:

1. The ascension does not in itself imply that heaven is located vertically above the surface of the earth.

2. For 2000 years before Copernicus, people believed in a geocentric globe earth. In the Christian version of this model, heaven was indeed located vertically above the surface of the earth. See e.g. Dante's Paradiso.

 

[Radagast]

Your questions do not make sense. The satellite dishes do not film anything. They are not cameras.

They received TV signals from the moon. The astronauts had a TV camera.

 

[Radagast]

She does this every time someone says something she doesn't like, can't disprove or shows that she doesn't know what she is talking about.
Change the subject, or mock.

Standard flat earth modus operandi.

 

[trophy33]

1. The ascension does not in itself imply that heaven is located vertically above the surface of the earth.

What does it imply, then?

2. For 2000 years before Copernicus, people believed in a geocentric globe earth. In the Christian version of this model, heaven was indeed located vertically above the surface of the earth. See e.g. Dante's Paradiso.

This is wrong, too.

 

[Radagast]

What does it imply, then?

It implies that they saw what they saw. That is all.

This is wrong, too.

It is a historical fact that people believed that.

I think I've about had enough of this conversation. If you're going to deny history as well as denying science and denying traditional Christian interpretation of the Bible, it's pointless.

 

[trophy33]

It implies that they saw what they saw. That is all.


It is a historical fact that people believed that.

These are no real answers.

 

[Apple Sky]

The dishes in Australia and elsewhere are called antennae, just so everyone is aware. They are microwave antennae which are pointed in the direction of the satellite, or in the case of moving spacecraft like the Apollo mission, Apollo would point its antennae at them.

Some of these sites now form part of the system of American, European, Japanese and former Soviet antennae used to communicate with the ISS and orbiting spacecraft, except for those of China which doesn’t cooperate with NASA or Roscosmos but rather does its own thing for both propaganda and strategic military reasons, and others comprise parts of the Deep Space Network operated by JPL, which is used both in support of manned spaceflight and unmanned probes including among others the Voyager probes; indeed last year some very good programming was used to patch Voyager 1 on the fly after one of the memory modules on the computer controlling its scientific instruments failed (the main computers use core memory, but the computer you interface with used then state-of-the-art DRAM, but the way Voyager works is that there is no distinction between memory and storage; the software exists in only DRAM and is powered from the radioisotope thermal generator so power cannot be interrupted to it and they will remain energized as long as the spacecraft has power, however, this proved to be a really bad design since it made it impossible to reset malfunctioning memory modules since you can’t interrupt power to them, and there is no offline storage of programs; additionally we have no remaining machines of the same architecture or configuration as the flight computers on Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 or even any emulators or simulators, so Voyager 1 had to be reprogrammed while running using documentation left by a now deceased member of the team on the 1990s on how to bootstrap an emergency “hello world” program, and other documentation about the functioning of the system and examples of the assembly language code, which they did have an example of; they were not flying completely blind but the reactivation of Voyager 1 was impressive, especially since they were basically only able to send a message to it about once per week, and it took 44 hours to receive a reply.

Now can you put all this in layman's terms ? Thank you.

 

[The Liturgist]

Now can you put all this in layman's terms ? Thank you.

Certainly!

But since you didn’t understand that, perhaps there are some other aspects that haven’t been communicated to you in a manner you could act upon that would assist your understanding of this?

Including, I should add, most importantly, why there are Christian members who are concerned about the ethical aspects of your remarks regarding the Moon mission. If you hadn’t noticed, the atheists who sometimes respond to people making flat Earth arguments are absent; the main concern among members here present is not primarily that you don’t believe in the moon landings, which is itself a position which is logically untenable and a cause for concern in a fellow Christian, but rather in what you are doing about that belief in terms of things you are saying about Christians, and also it looks to me, and it might look to my fellow Orthodox friend @Xeno.of.athens that you are, based on the totality of your remarks, not benefitting from any kind of Christian formation in your life with other Christians except on this platform, and this could also be a detrimental problem.

And I also am not sure of the fact that unlike some atheists who might hypothetically take potshots at Flat Earthers on the basis of spite, we are filled with love for you. So that this is not an issue of a conspiracy theory per se but rather of your Christian friends wanting to help you in several areas of your life. I know @Xeno.of.athens is filled with love, and I strongly believe from my interactions with them that @Strong in Him and @David Lamb are profound, loving Christians, who I greatly admire, and while I don’t know @trophy33 very well, I do know he is a Christian and very intelligent who I find very relatable as I have travelled in the Czech lands, since I was 14, I love the Czech people and all Slavic people for that matter, and I love the contributions @trophy33 has made to the forum, and I am hoping to get to know him more.

By the way one thing I remember about the Czech Republic when I was there at the age of 14 was how kind everyone was to me personally, aside from some non-Czech pickpockets who tried to steal from us at Prague Main Station, the railway terminal (on subsequent trips I’ve often disembarked at Holosovice rather than the main station which tended to be less crowded; when we arrived when I was 14 it was also at Holosovice, as there were a number of EuroCity trains that stopped there while travelling from Vienna to Germany, Poland or Slovakia, since at the time at least trains going to the city center terminal had to reverse into and out of it, which takes a while, but in the US we have railway stations like Tampa Union Station which have only two trains a day but are still set up like terminals, so trains have to back into them off the mainline, for what would normally be a through stop. And the route used by some Amtrak long distance trains leaving Chicago Union Station for the south is best described as “Byzantine” and “Serpentine.” The Czech Railways are presently like what the US railways were like in the first half of the 20th century before the system was allowed to decay, particularly in the Northeast Corridor where the Pennsylvania Railroad, on the route connecting Washington DC with New York City via Baltimore and Philadelphia provided electrification, 120 MPH speeds, four tracks allowing very high frequency traffic, level platform boarding and full restaurant car service and also used extremely heavy physical rails.

Except I’m not sure if Continental European railways have level platform boarding; i remember having to step up a short distance, except on some of the newer regional trains (and now some newer intercity electric trains like the Dutch ICng built by Stadler), not the huge distance down to the ground, but the platform nonetheless tended to not be level with the train like on a subway, except on suburban lines like the S Bahn and the RER, whereas the Northeast Corridor has that unusual feature as a legacy. But it lacks compartments and restaurant cars, which are more important.

 

[trophy33]

how kind everyone was to me personally, aside from some non-Czech pickpockets who tried to steal from us at Prague Main Station

 

[trophy33]

Except I’m not sure if Continental European railways have level platform boarding; i remember having to step up a short distance

Yes, most "longer distance" intercity or international trains are still with stairs, here, even the new ones:

"Shorter distance" trains between regional towns like Inter/Regio Panter or City Elefant do not have stairs.

 

[Apple Sky]

Certainly!

Thank you Liturgist & @trophy33 for your informative posts.

I've always wanted to visit Prague with it's famous clock which I think they've changed now ??

It used to show earth but now it shows a globe, why they changed it i'll never know.

They also make excellent marionettes which I'm very much into as you can see here, I have made some of my own

I Make Marionettes

Besides playing the classical guitar, I make marionettes here are a few of them;

www.christianforums.com

 

[trophy33]

I've always wanted to visit Prague with it's famous clock

The place is frequently crowded with tourists, mainly during the summer season.

 

[The Liturgist]

It used to show earth but now it shows a globe, why they changed it i'll never know.

It comes across as passive aggressive when you insert Flat Earth remarks into every single reply, which is another thing you should not do.

Insofar as you allow your interactions with others to be defined by any belief other than a faith in Christ which should not be dependent on the shape of the Earth, a particular interpretation of which is not given by Christ as a commandment for our behavior, but rather on how much love you can show everyone else.

 

[Strong in Him]

Certainly!

But since you didn’t understand that, perhaps there are some other aspects that haven’t been communicated to you in a manner you could act upon that would assist your understanding of this?

Including, I should add, most importantly, why there are Christian members who are concerned about the ethical aspects of your remarks regarding the Moon mission. If you hadn’t noticed, the atheists who sometimes respond to people making flat Earth arguments are absent; the main concern among members here present is not primarily that you don’t believe in the moon landings, which is itself a position which is logically untenable and a cause for concern in a fellow Christian, but rather in what you are doing about that belief in terms of things you are saying about Christians, and also it looks to me, and it might look to my fellow Orthodox friend @Xeno.of.athens that you are, based on the totality of your remarks, not benefitting from any kind of Christian formation in your life with other Christians except on this platform, and this could also be a detrimental problem.

And I also am not sure of the fact that unlike some atheists who might hypothetically take potshots at Flat Earthers on the basis of spite, we are filled with love for you. So that this is not an issue of a conspiracy theory per se but rather of your Christian friends wanting to help you in several areas of your life. I know @Xeno.of.athens is filled with love, and I strongly believe from my interactions with them that @Strong in Him and @David Lamb are profound, loving Christians, who I greatly admire, and while I don’t know @trophy33 very well, I do know he is a Christian and very intelligent who I find very relatable as I have travelled in the Czech lands, since I was 14, I love the Czech people and all Slavic people for that matter, and I love the contributions @trophy33 has made to the forum, and I am hoping to get to know him more.

A wise and compassionate post; thank you.