Another Example of Intolerable Extremists

Hans Blaster · Jul 3, 2024

waitingforourLord said:
No, soldiers don't wear crosses embroidered on their uniforms, but there have been many instances where Christian soldiers have been put in a position where they have had to stand up for their faith or face repercussions in the military, and if I wanted to wear a cross on my uniform, they shouldn't have any say in the matter.

They don't wear religious symbols, but if a soldier wanted to wear a symbol on their uniform their superiors should have not say? That does not make sense at all.

waitingforourLord said:
The Constitution says freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion!!!!

There is no freedom of religion without keeping government out of the religion endorsing business.

waitingforourLord said:
I agree that the company should not be allowed to use DOD insignia on their merchandise, but i disagree for a different reason. I simply don't believe a private company should be allowed to profit off of what the US citizen pays for.

The DOD licenses its insignia to companies whose products meet there standards. This one did not.

The Barbarian · Jul 3, 2024

waitingforourLord said:
When I served, I served for the good of my country not my government, and even though I was under their control, I and ALL soldiers have personal freedoms, the MOST important being freedom OF OF OF religion not FROM religion.

The Bill of Rights guarantees freedom FROM religion before it mentions freedom OF religion. Both are essential freedoms.

Astrid · Jul 4, 2024

waitingforourLord said:
I am NOT saying they should allow anything on an animals tags, on a soldiers tags or anything of the sort!
what I AM saying is that the military has been slowly and methodically taking God OUT of the military for the last 20 years by not allowing certain things to be worn, or read!!
When I served, I served for the good of my country not my government, and even though I was under their control, I and ALL soldiers have personal freedoms, the MOST important being freedom OF OF OF religion not FROM religion.
you guys are on a CHRISTIAN forum, and yet many of you almost sound like you think the government should have the right to tell a soldier what he can and cannot worship!

Almost, maybe but not really.

Worship who what and how, as you will- with certain legal, moral, constitutional, ethical limitations.

It's almost as if you see anti christian collusion
and recognize no limitations on behaviour as long
as it is worship. Of something.

waitingforourLord · Jul 4, 2024

Astrid said:
Almost, maybe but not really.

Worship who what and how, as you will- with certain legal, moral, constitutional, ethical limitations.

It's almost as if you see anti christian collusion
and recognize no limitations on behaviour as long
as it is worship. Of something.

There are NO limitations on the worship the God of the bible in OUR country, PERIOD
Each individual is a free person with inalienable rights from GOD, and freedom to worship Him is at the top of those rights!!

waitingforourLord · Jul 4, 2024

The Barbarian said:
The Bill of Rights guarantees freedom FROM religion before it mentions freedom OF religion. Both are essential freedoms.

WRONG, re-read it!

Desk trauma · Jul 4, 2024

waitingforourLord said:
WRONG, re-read it!

Freedom of religion but not for those dirty atheists.

waitingforourLord · Jul 4, 2024

Hans Blaster said:
They don't wear religious symbols, but if a soldier wanted to wear a symbol on their uniform their superiors should have not say? That does not make sense at all.

There is no freedom of religion without keeping government out of the religion endorsing business.

The DOD licenses its insignia to companies whose products meet there standards. This one did not.

"There is no freedom of religion without keeping government out of the religion endorsing business."

the government can allow individual freedoms without endorsing them, but instead it chooses to simply deny our God given rights!
We as individuals are made in the image of God, our rights come first whether in the service or as a citizen, PERIOD!!

comana · Jul 4, 2024

waitingforourLord said:
"There is no freedom of religion without keeping government out of the religion endorsing business."

the government can allow individual freedoms without endorsing them, but instead it chooses to simply deny our God given rights!
We as individuals are made in the image of God, our rights come first whether in the service or as a citizen, PERIOD!!

Who is the government restricting from freely practicing their religion?

waitingforourLord · Jul 4, 2024

Hans Blaster said:
They don't wear religious symbols, but if a soldier wanted to wear a symbol on their uniform their superiors should have not say? That does not make sense at all.

There is no freedom of religion without keeping government out of the religion endorsing business.

The DOD licenses its insignia to companies whose products meet there standards. This one did not.

"They don't wear religious symbols, but if a soldier wanted to wear a symbol on their uniform their superiors should have not say? That does not make sense at all."

When you follow Christ and know that your freedom and rights come from Him and not mans laws, then it makes PERFECT sense.
When I served my country, I wasn't doing it for my government, I was doing it for her people, people made in the image of God

waitingforourLord · Jul 4, 2024

comana said:
Who is the government restricting from freely practicing their religion?

it's happening everyday, try watching the news and keeping up on current events

waitingforourLord · Jul 4, 2024

Desk trauma said:
Freedom of religion but not for those dirty atheists.

just because i believe your wrong in your athiesm, and I do, doesn't mean I won't stand up for your right to believe that way

Desk trauma said:
Freedom of religion but not for those dirty atheists.

comana · Jul 4, 2024

waitingforourLord said:
it's happening everyday, try watching the news and keeping up on current events

Specific examples will help instead of generalized “it’s happening“.

waitingforourLord · Jul 4, 2024

Astrid said:
Almost, maybe but not really.

Worship who what and how, as you will- with certain legal, moral, constitutional, ethical limitations.

It's almost as if you see anti christian collusion
and recognize no limitations on behaviour as long
as it is worship. Of something.

you REALLY need to go back to High school and study harder in your civics class

The Barbarian · Jul 4, 2024

The Bill of Rights guarantees freedom FROM religion before it mentions freedom OF religion. Both are essential freedoms.

Desk trauma said:
Freedom of religion but not for those dirty atheists.

waitingforourLord said:
WRONG

Well. let's take a look...

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Maybe you should read it again. I bolded in red the part that assures freedom from religion, and bolded in blue the part that assures freedom of religion. The state can neither impose religion on us, nor can it stop us from exercising our religion.

And no, it's not violating your freedom of religion, when the state keeps you from imposing your religion on others. The Founders anticipated that tyrants would try both of those violations, and made sure to prohibit them.

Desk trauma · Jul 4, 2024

waitingforourLord said:
just because i believe your wrong in your athiesm, and I do, doesn't mean I won't stand up for your right to believe that way

Yet you repeat the "no freedom from religion" nonsense.

The Barbarian · Jul 4, 2024

waitingforourLord said:
God says sexual immorality is wrong, and yet in todays military, in some area's to simply wear a cross openly is an affront to the lgbtq+

In fact, the Constitution protects your right to wear a religious symbol, and it protects the right of people to be LGBTQ or whatever. For some reason, people who are "offended" by other people exercising their rights, are the same people who get furious if anyone even criticizes their own behavior.

That's the way it goes today.

Desk trauma · Jul 4, 2024

waitingforourLord said:
"They don't wear religious symbols, but if a soldier wanted to wear a symbol on their uniform their superiors should have not say? That does not make sense at all."

When you follow Christ and know that your freedom and rights come from Him and not mans laws, then it makes PERFECT sense.
When I served my country, I wasn't doing it for my government, I was doing it for her people, people made in the image of God

Did you obey uniform standards while serving or did you wear religious insignia in violation or it?

The Barbarian · Jul 4, 2024

Desk trauma said:
Did you obey uniform standards while serving or did you wear religious insignia in violation or it?

No one every got upset about me leaving the smudge of ashes on my forehead on Ash Wednesday. It's not something required, but just a practice I learned as a kid. Apparently, perfectly legal under AF policies and UCMJ.

rjs330 · Jul 4, 2024

Bradskii said:
Matthew 6:6-7: But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.

There ya go...you get rewarded into the bargain. Sounds like a win/win to me.

He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

New King James Version
19 Go [a]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen

.How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

Here is Jesus point.

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

It's about the motivation. Jesus didn't tell everyone to keep their faith in the closet. He was referencing the motivation. Are you praying to be seen by others so people can admire you for your piety?

We are not to hide the gospel but proclaim it in all the world. People will reject it and us. That's part of the deal. But others will hear and believe. Others will reject and hate. But never the less the gospel is proclaimed.

rjs330 · Jul 4, 2024

The Barbarian said:
The Bill of Rights guarantees freedom FROM religion before it mentions freedom OF religion. Both are essential freedoms.

Well. let's take a look...

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Maybe you should read it again. I bolded in red the part that assures freedom from religion, and bolded in blue the part that assures freedom of religion. The state can neither impose religion on us, nor can it stop us from exercising our religion.

And no, it's not violating your freedom of religion, when the state keeps you from imposing your religion on others. The Founders anticipated that tyrants would try both of those violations, and made sure to prohibit them.

It sounds like you should read it yourself. Tge Constitution does NOT assure freedom from religion. It assure assures freedom of Government establishment of religion through Congress.

It also guarantees the free exercise of religion which means people can exercise their religion any way they want. The fact that free exercise comes after no establishment doesn't relegate it to a lesser right. If government entities are making claims that they have to protect the right of some group then they gave to protect the rights of all groups including the religious ones.

As far as I'm concerned I'm fine with the military prohibiting crosses etc on the uniform. As long as Congress hasn't passed a law about it the military can do as they deem. As long as they are protecting everyone's rights and doing it to everyone across the board.

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