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What does it mean when you hear someone say someone else is anointed? I have heard say a Pastor say this about another Pastor. I have been told that it is very bad to not agree with someone who is anointed....but b/c someone is anointed, which I still doesn't know what that means, I can't see that meaning their teachings are always correct.

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What does it mean when you hear someone say someone else is anointed? I have heard say a Pastor say this about another Pastor. I have been told that it is very bad to not agree with someone who is anointed....but b/c someone is anointed, which I still doesn't know what that means, I can't see that meaning their teachings are always correct.

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If they are not part of the duo then they are groupies

Anointed is a Contemporary Christian music duo consisting of siblings Steve and Da'dra Crawford. Their musical style includes elements of R&B, funk, and pianoballads. The group has won seven Dove Awards, two Stellar Awards and three Grammy Award nominations.[1][2] The group has also been featured on several Christian compilation albums such as Real Life Music, 1996 and WOW The 90s.

On a serious note:

Exodus 40:12 "Bring Aaron and his sons to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and wash them with water. 13 Then dress Aaron in the sacred garments, anoint him and consecrate him so he may serve me as priest. 14 Bring his sons and dress them in tunics. 15 Anoint them just as you anointed their father, so they may serve me as priests. Their anointing will be to a priesthood that will continue for all generations to come." 16 Moses did everything just as the LORD commanded him.

It is hard to say what it has become today but here is the Webster Definition:

Anointed:
To apply oil, ointment, or a similar substance to.
To put oil on during a religious ceremony as a sign of sanctification or consecration.
To choose by or as if by divine intervention.

Consecration:
1. the act of consecrating; dedication to the service and worship of a deity.
2. the act of giving the sacramental character to the Eucharistic elements of bread and wine, esp. in the Roman Catholic Church.
3. ordination to a sacred office, esp. to the episcopate.

Sanctify:
1. to make holy; set apart as sacred; consecrate.
2. to purify or free from sin: Sanctify your hearts.
3. to impart religious sanction to; render legitimate or binding: to sanctify a vow.
4. to entitle to reverence or respect.
5. to make productive of or conducive to spiritual blessing.
 
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What does it mean when you hear someone say someone else is anointed? I have heard say a Pastor say this about another Pastor. I have been told that it is very bad to not agree with someone who is anointed....but b/c someone is anointed, which I still doesn't know what that means, I can't see that meaning their teachings are always correct.

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about the "it is very bad to not agree with someone who is anointed" part, i don't believe that it true.
actually i think such people are often gifted with a specific spiritual gift . So in fact, i think they are just as likely to make mistakes by using their gifts for purposes other than what God gave them that specific gift for.
thus there is no reason why we shouldn't disagree and/or evaluate them using our bibles.
 
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I would like also to point out here that you yourself have an annointing from God:

1John 2

27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will[e] abide in Him.

So if you ever hear something that sounds wroung, it may be the Spirit of the Lord showing you. If this happens, just go and ask Jesus Christ, and He can show you the truth.
 
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I would like also to point out here that you yourself have an annointing from God:

1John 2

27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will[e] abide in Him.

So if you ever hear something that sounds wroung, it may be the Spirit of the Lord showing you. If this happens, just go and ask Jesus Christ, and He can show you the truth.


Thank you for that scripture.
 
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You are annointed if you have recieved the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit).

Well I don't know if I have...I mean how does one really know if they have no spiritual gifts? Or once saved does the Holy Spirit come on someone? Sorry but I have always found this to confuse me.
 
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Well I don't know if I have...I mean how does one really know if they have no spiritual gifts? Or once saved does the Holy Spirit come on someone? Sorry but I have always found this to confuse me.

The anointing doesn't initially mean you have gifts. To be anointed of God means you have accepted the blood sacrifice of Jesus dying on your behalf and you have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. The gifts are given according to the will of the Holy Spirit. Some people have gifts that are very obvious and stand out, and are 'showy', others have gifts that are hidden to the eye and are not at all showy. One gift is not any more important to God than another. It's whatever HE chooses to give you.

But first of all realize that the anointing is IN you because you have the Holy Spirit. Pastors may or may not have the gift of ascension called 'pastor'. Some men just decide they want to be a pastor without it being given to them by Holy Spirit. They (any Pastor) is no more anointed than what you or any other person in church is. If they have been given the gift of being a pastor then they have the anointing for that job. But, it's no better than whatever gift you may have. They are not 'above' you.

Be careful not to fall under the spiritual abuse of some leaders who tell you that you must obey them, and can't question them, because they are anointed. I have often heard it from the pulpit, 'touch not God's anointed', as if they are untouchable. Please don't listen to it. It's abuse of their position and abuse of the 'sheep'.
 
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To be anointed of God means you have accepted the blood sacrifice of Jesus dying on your behalf and you have been baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Here is a verse that seems to back up what you are saying. This is out of a letter from Paul to the Corinthian congregation but I’m sure it applies to all who accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
 
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Here is a verse that seems to back up what you are saying. This is out of a letter from Paul to the Corinthian congregation but I’m sure it applies to all who accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.


Exactly! :thumbsup:

Great verse!

I also like your post #2.
 
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Well I don't know if I have...I mean how does one really know if they have no spiritual gifts? Or once saved does the Holy Spirit come on someone? Sorry but I have always found this to confuse me.

All we are and do is a Spiritual Gift from God. Apart from Him we can do nothing. Read 1 Corinthians 12 for more about spiritual gifts.

1 Corinthians 12:4-6 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
 
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What does it mean when you hear someone say someone else is anointed? I have heard say a Pastor say this about another Pastor. I have been told that it is very bad to not agree with someone who is anointed....but b/c someone is anointed, which I still doesn't know what that means, I can't see that meaning their teachings are always correct.

Dianna

That is a doctrine used by leaders to obtain absolute control over their people . Of course , you see *them* break the doctrine time and time again as they go after each other . Hypocracy is at the heart of the doctrine . It also ignores that leaders lead by serving - not serve by leading . This doctrine leads to cultish activity .

We are *all* annointed . The Lord is the *only* mediator between us and the Father . All the rest of us are equal .
 
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Well I don't know if I have...I mean how does one really know if they have no spiritual gifts? Or once saved does the Holy Spirit come on someone? Sorry but I have always found this to confuse me.

When one believes in Christ the Holy Spirit indwells us:
13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

The above verse also shows we never lose our salvation. So, once you believed the Holy Spirit indwelled you and you are sealed, and can never lose salvation.

We all have gifts when we come to Christ. Some are the gifts we had before Christ, which God now uses to His glory. Some are gifts given, a couple examples below.

Some gifts are commonly seen in countries where the church is growing, such as China, a persecuted country. Whereas healing is not a common thing to see in usa, I have read of healings occuring, however, it was not because a man performed a healing, but because Christ healed someone (the one I read of as regards church growth in China.)

Some gifts have passed away and are no longer. However, again, in countries where the book of Acts is occuring today as in the bible, it is common to see many gifts.

Tongues is a foreign language, and if one speaks in tongues, one must be there to interpret so that all hearing would be edified. Doubt this gift occurs much today; as is not needed, but may well occur where many are gathered who speak different languages.

Prophecy in this day and age, is one who preaches the word of God, though some believe they are prophets and fortell; this I do not believe. So, we all are prophets in that sense, since many times, we teach or preach the word of God in various ways.

Prophets in the old testament were those who heard from God and were told to tell His people or other people what God had said.

Again, I don't believe such occurs today. We have the bible, so beware if someone says they fortell or were given a special message from God for you. I was told something on CF, don't recall what, by someone who believes he's a prophet. Not only did it not line up with God word, there was no benefit nor truth nor edification to what was said, so beward such as some do claim to be prophets.

In countries where there is no bibles allowed, prophecy does occur, that is a teaching of Gods word given the person, but what is said, will be in the bible, and not a strange teaching.

Some may say, I have a vision or was told by Christ to do thus or thus. Let them do that for themselves, but again, when someone tries to tell you you must do thus and thus because of something they believe they've been told, I would be wary. However, you may not be aware of certain things, and other believers can make you aware, and say such; wow, did you realize you are a good teacher, etc, and give you an awareness you might never have had before.

Many people get into gifts in an unhealthy way; saying if one doesn't have the gift they have then something is wrong with you. This is not right, nor true, and there is no need, but ask God for what you need, and he gives as you need.

Many Christians don't concern themselves with gift, but use the abilities they have to help the body of Christ, without even being aware they are gifted in that way.

So, there is no need to know what you are gifted in, as you are actually using the gifts all the time.

Some churches give out helps to help determine where your gifts are; which can be helpful, but again, one is already using their gifts, many times unaware; it is just a natural part of them to do many things.

If you like to teach, then your gift may be teaching, same with preaching, same with helping others, etc.

Some say you must be filled with the Holy Spirit, etc.

We already are filled with the Holy Spirit, but a futher filling is more so as we read the word, or are serving, or singing or anything that draws us closer to God. We can sometimes, but not always sense the Spirit, as we may be watching TV and the Holy Spirit brings a verse to mind and helps resolve a question one has, and it happens out of the blue many times, but again each is different.

So, for example, when reading, singing, praying etc, I might feel (hate to use that word) but feel a joy, from such, and this is an example of the filling of the Holy Spirit. That does not stay with someone, but comes and goes with our walk with God, as we go thru many things in our walk with God.

We all are to serve others, so, I guess I'm just saying, no need to have great concern or even any over gifts, as many do.

Some even say one isn't saved if they don't have certain gifts, which is a lie.

Anyway, here's a few scriptures below, but not exhaustive; on gifts.

Romans 12... said:
We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his[b]faith. 7If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.

7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines. 12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
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Most people do not understand this specific anointing,..

18 (AV) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

There was a difference here. We do receive the anointing inside of us, but here Jesus is talking about The Holy Spirit being upon Him.

There was also another distinction,..

1 ¶ (AV) And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

14 ¶ (AV) And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

Jesus was not in power until after His time of temptation, so something took place between these events.

Also, this anointing upon was spoken of by David,..

5 (AV) Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

So I guess people can take it or leave it. If they want to experience this sort of anointing, they will reach for it till they have it.

As far as the teaching about "touch not mine anointed" I think it is overabused by folks who are not actually anointed this way.
 
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The anointing doesn't initially mean you have gifts. To be anointed of God means you have accepted the blood sacrifice of Jesus dying on your behalf and you have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. The gifts are given according to the will of the Holy Spirit. Some people have gifts that are very obvious and stand out, and are 'showy', others have gifts that are hidden to the eye and are not at all showy. One gift is not any more important to God than another. It's whatever HE chooses to give you.

But first of all realize that the anointing is IN you because you have the Holy Spirit. Pastors may or may not have the gift of ascension called 'pastor'. Some men just decide they want to be a pastor without it being given to them by Holy Spirit. They (any Pastor) is no more anointed than what you or any other person in church is. If they have been given the gift of being a pastor then they have the anointing for that job. But, it's no better than whatever gift you may have. They are not 'above' you.

Be careful not to fall under the spiritual abuse of some leaders who tell you that you must obey them, and can't question them, because they are anointed. I have often heard it from the pulpit, 'touch not God's anointed', as if they are untouchable. Please don't listen to it. It's abuse of their position and abuse of the 'sheep'.

That is exactly what I was told 'touch not God's anointed' from a Pastor once and even the other day when on a group I asked about an tv preacher...

Dianna
 
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Here is a verse that seems to back up what you are saying. This is out of a letter from Paul to the Corinthian congregation but I’m sure it applies to all who accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Thanks for sharing the scripture. :)

Dianna
 
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All we are and do is a Spiritual Gift from God. Apart from Him we can do nothing. Read 1 Corinthians 12 for more about spiritual gifts.

1 Corinthians 12:4-6 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.

I read it last night :) After I got off the computer I started looking for information. Something more I will study. I appreciate the help and verse :) Thank you :)
 
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That is a doctrine used by leaders to obtain absolute control over their people . Of course , you see *them* break the doctrine time and time again as they go after each other . Hypocracy is at the heart of the doctrine . It also ignores that leaders lead by serving - not serve by leading . This doctrine leads to cultish activity .

We are *all* annointed . The Lord is the *only* mediator between us and the Father . All the rest of us are equal .


I think I am trying to figure out what all I have been taught what has been hypocracy and what is the truth.
 
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