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Scottish Joy

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Um, why did we switch back to private reports? I'm not trying to pick on any of the mods here, as I doubt it was your decision, but were the reasons discussed? What was the problem with how it was before? I liked the public reports MUCH better, for my part...

This makes getting a report notification seem much more sinister... ...
 
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I cant think of any Jesus Justification for the secrecy from members. It almost seems at odds with the inward ministry approach. Me be thinking Jesus would want transparency and several of his words come to mind. I know the great majority of Staff are awesome contributors to the site so dont take my words as an accusation. Transparency would remove unnecessary hurdles imao.
 
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Kinda Mcarthy era eh? Secrecy and shadows. My question is this, what does what we the members have to say about this, weigh on the situation. In other words, will you listen to us? We dont like this system. Or will you do as in the past, and disregard we the members.
 
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My 2 cents (and you might still want to give me change): open reports creates a "tabloid" kind of feeling with people who are not involved at all following every post in them just for the voyeristic nature of them. Open reports and the threads that follow tends to create an environment where people can "gossip" about accusations and the people who complain the most. I truly cannot see a benefit to the kind of openess that has been mentioned here - all I am seeing are vague accusations of "secrecy" & "conspiracy" and assumptions of unfairness. If you believe the moderators are unfair, then become one or support someone you think is fair. Otherwise the arguements just go in circles with people repeating themselves over and over.

Sour grapes make a bitter whine.
 
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I don't see how you could possibly believe that secrecy is a valid means for assuring fairness and justice. Especially when the only recourse is to an equally secret group.

As for "sour grapes and whine", I have no intentions of supporting this system. I don't think it's right, fair, or good. I will fight against it in my own way.
 
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Is it secrecy that truly bothers you or just the fact that you're not involved in it to second guess and questions those with the responsibility to address things? And do you believe that you method of "fighting" is effective? The very word "fighting" tells me a lot - "disagreeing" or "objecting" would have been more appropriate words to use if there is a true desire for change.
 
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My 2 cents (and you might still want to give me change): open reports creates a "tabloid" kind of feeling with people who are not involved at all following every post in them just for the voyeristic nature of them.


I am glad that you recognize this is your opinion, for what it is worth the same can be said of our court system in the U.S. Should court proceedings not be public?


Open reports and the threads that follow tends to create an environment where people can "gossip" about accusations and the people who complain the most. I truly cannot see a benefit to the kind of openess that has been mentioned here
If you think the same thing did not happen with closed reports then you weren't paying much attention. The difference of course is that with closed reports people couldn't go to the thread to evaluate the "gossip". As for the benefit of this kind of openness the benefit is that staff can not hide behind secrecy and treat different members inconsistently.

I will make this as clear as I can so that it is not vague. There has been secrecy and conspiracy occur amongst staff. I know first hand having been both a moderator and a supervisor. I will point out to you only one example of staff "unfairness" that I have witnessed since the 777 debacle. One particular Sr. Staff member in one report thread overturned a consensus vote of staff that a flaming violation had occurred, this staff members reason was that the individual was simply stating their opinion and stating an opinion could not be a flame. This same Sr. Staff member in another report thread not three days later made the statement that a flame had occurred by an individual who made it clear that they were only stating their opinion. The difference was a fondness the staff member had for the former that was not shared with the later.

When questioned about this, the staff member would not answer PM's etc. When this was brought to the attention of this staff members supervisor the response was a vote of confidence that this particular Sr. Staff member would never do such a thing. Further PM's quoting and linking the report threads went unanswered. This was not an isolated incident by the way this particular staff member was very inconsistent and would overturn consensus decisions by teams under their supervision on more than a few occasions. There have been several more occasions of staff making inconsistent decisions and then closing threads which pointed out the inconsistency. As for being staff; I served on staff for over 2 years I know what happens in some closed threads and subfora.


Sour grapes make a bitter whine.
An accusation that doesn't deserve a response.
 
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I cannot respond for LT but I can tell you that fairness and justice cannot exist in secrecy. This is a sociological fact.
 
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I am glad that you recognize this is your opinion, for what it is worth the same can be said of our court system in the U.S. Should court proceedings not be public?

Hi there, jt! How are y'doin?

I got a question for you. I know that in the States, as in the UK, the public can go and sit in on almost any court case and watch the proceedings.

I never knew you were also permitted to sit in the jury room and observe their deliberations as they decided their verdict.

Or have I got that wrong?
 
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again this is merely my opinion but I just can't bring myself to take an internet Christian forum this seriously - to compare it to the legal court system is a bit much to me...sorry, this is not stated to offend but to show that not all agree with the clamour to reopen things in the reports.
 
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Nope, you definitely have that right there.
 
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