ANNOUNCEMENT: New Report System Information

[Melbelle]

Hey Melly, you're pretty new to staff, so maybe you bes not aware that in the past this HAS in fact been a problem, with staff operating from a bias of personal like/dislike/favoritism or else from a bias formed on the basis of their personal theological and/or political views contrasted with whatever members' reports they bes working, etc. Definitely NOT with ALL staff of course, but enough of it going on to be evident in stacked-deck outcomes. There bes evidence that some staff historically have indeed talked behind the backs of regular members and sought to sour the opinion of other staff against them by playing up their faults or whatever about them they thought bes not "Christian" or not "theologically correct" or whatever. So hon, sad as it sounds, there DOES be precedent for this. Now, this bes NOT your fault, and this one bes certain you will do your best to be a good, honorable staff member AND you need to believe likewise about all your fellow staff in order to make that work. We get that. But you need to understand there does indeed be valid cause for feeling a bit querulous and uncertain with regard to all the secrecy because we've seen the results of whatever went on behind those closed doors.

Trust me hun, I know that from first hand experance. I was banned from here before. But I can tell you from what I have seen from being on staff, its totaly different now. I don't see things like this at all. But hey, sometimes our personal feelings may get caught up sometimes, but we are human. I can only vaulch for Ministry cus I don't really pay much attention to the other teams.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Moriah i cant answer for other people do - i can only answer to how it should be

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

If I was offended enough to report a post, I am going to want to know the disposition of it. Many, many times a reported post will have no action taken on it. If I am not allowed to even know the outcome, then I am going to see a post I was offended by and reported sit untouched with no idea why. That affects me personally.

^^ Exactly. ^^
If something this one reports something it wants to know how it bes ruled and why. Why? Because it needs to know how the rules bes applied and in what circumstances, and also if it gets reported by someone else, whether the ruling bes the equitable compared with other rulings. Only in this way can accountability be established and any potential for operation out of personal biases be removed. Not to mention the fact that many "situations" go FAR deeper than just what one single post can snapshot for staff, and staff may need to hear additional information in cases of ongoing harassment, baiting, and/or "making another member's experience here horrible" in order to make an effective and just ruling to put a stop to those things. One post does not always reveal the whole picture.

 

[Melbelle]

Moriah i cant answer for other people do - i can only answer to how it should be

and I can only answer for what I do

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Held accountable for what? ruling something no violation according to the written rules ?

Whether the ruling bes consistent or not, and if not, then why. If Joe Blow is given NV for posting something but Jerry Cherry bes given an infraction for the same exact tone or epithet, one needs to understand WHY in order to be assured that there bes not some personal bias here so that only Joe & his friends can flame with impunity while Jerry & his friends always get actioned.

Sometimes there BES a valid reason for what seems a discrepancy in ruling between two different posts for their content upon the same rule with same or similar words. And sometimes there bes NOT one, but personal biases bes in evidence.

so yes, in the end it bes best to open reports to BOTH reporter and reportee.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Held accountable for what? ruling something no violation according to the written rules ? If the post is still there and the report is closed - its pretty self evident it was ruled no violation - of course unless its a matter where a thread was closed altogether

As far as action taken on one that is missing or editted obviously thats pretty apparant then action was taken - so why would a reporter need to know what happened on another members account as a result?

Let's turn this around, shall we? Why bes it so important to you personally that reports be kept closed?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

jtbdad thats what the RT is for - to monitor that

But one cannot bring a viable complaint if one has no idea what bes going on for crying out loud!! :o

 

[Angel4Truth]

Moriah that is what the RT team is for - to ensure consistancy. Keep in mind also what appears to be one thing can also be something else altogether because of other circumstances someone is not aware of - for example a new poster who may not understand a guideline would be treated differently than a seasoned poster well aware of it.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I think they should be closed to all but the member for privacy reasons. Some people value their privacy and do not want everyone to know their business.

 

[Melbelle]

Whether the ruling bes consistent or not, and if not, then why. If Joe Blow is given NV for posting something but Jerry Cherry bes given an infraction for the same exact tone or epithet, one needs to understand WHY in order to be assured that there bes not some personal bias here so that only Joe & his friends can flame with impunity while Jerry & his friends always get actioned.

Sometimes there BES a valid reason for what seems a discrepancy in ruling between two different posts for their content upon the same rule with same or similar words. And sometimes there bes NOT one, but personal biases bes in evidence.

so yes, in the end it bes best to open reports to BOTH reporter and reportee.

I understand what you are saying. The best answer I know to give you is that different people worked the reports. I am seeing this too and I am not finding it fair at all.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

From my understanding (I did ask about this today) reports are going to be opened to both reporters and reportees.

WOOT!!!

Guess it should have read a bit further before hitting that REPLY button!

REALLY hope this bes the case.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

and I can only answer for what I do

Yes but if A4T's post bes in response to the comment about the authorities & privacy, etc., then she had originally claimed it bes what they do, and not merely what they SHOULD do.

Oh well, thread has moved on, no big whoop.

 

[Tenebrae]

WOOT!!!

Guess it should have read a bit further before hitting that REPLY button!

REALLY hope this bes the case.

Me too.


I have no problem only being able to read them, however when the reports were open post 7-7-7 it was good to be able to see how the decisions were made.

I think if the mods are doing their jobs and applying the rules in a fair an impartial manner then they have nothing to fear from having outside scrutiny

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I think they should be closed to all but the member for privacy reasons. Some people value their privacy and do not want everyone to know their business.

This one thinks they should be open to both reporter & reportee BUT bound by confidence. I.e., no going out on the board saying "oh ha ha we got this person an infraction" or whatever.

Can see your point though -- if this one got infracted over something it does not like the idea of its enemies what pushed it to that gloating over it. So you do have a point.

 

[Angel4Truth]

thats just it moriah while staff have to agree to confidentiality - members do not

 

[Angel4Truth]

I can assure you my reasons for wanting it to remain private have nothing to do with hiding anything. Its for the protection of the member.

 

[No Swansong]

I can assure you my reasons for wanting it to remain private have nothing to do with hiding anything. Its for the protection of the member.

I have worked literally hundreds if not over a thousand reports as both a moderator and a sup, rarely does something occur (at least in the congregational area) in which a member needs to be "protected'.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

when ppls posts get RFE'd or RV-deleted, or when ppls get FSB'd or SWB'd, it never stays hidden or unknown anyway. it gets out & gets around. observation leads to talk what leads to someone checking & finding out & reporting back, etc.

 

[No Swansong]

jtbdad thats what the RT is for - to monitor that

Right! Staff deciding if staff is right and again all done in secrecy. I have no more trust in RT being consistent than I do in non RT staff.

 

[Angel4Truth]

jptdad have you ever worked debate team and outreach team and recovery team - many things are discussed in many threads that need to be between the member and staff many times - then there are also thread clean up issues which includes many members - their privacy matters too