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The verses from Romans and Corinthians in the post I responded to and/or any other post where you try to prove something in one book from something in another book.What comment of mine are you referring to?
Thus saith the Lord: "The Bible."none of what you quoted is preceded by "Thus saith the Lord."
The verses from Romans and Corinthians in the post I responded to and/or any other post where you try to prove something in one book from something in another book.
Are the words of Satan which are in the Bible "Thus saith the Lord?" Are the words of nonbelievers, pagans etc. which are in the Bible "Thus saith the Lord?"Thus saith the Lord: "The Bible."
You completely missed the point.Are the words of Satan which are in the Bible "Thus saith the Lord?" Are the words of nonbelievers, pagans etc. which are in the Bible "Thus saith the Lord?"
1 Corinthians 7:6
(6) But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
1 Corinthians 7:25
(25) Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
2 Corinthians 8:8
(8) I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
This is a common theme.Then you went on a wild goose chase
Chess is built entirely off of the implementation of logic."It's tempting for me to believe that God is the grand master playing chess and we are the 5 year old rookie. Theoretically we are "free" to win the chess game, it is possible. No not really in the libertarian sense - it is unlikely to the point of virtual zero. in other words, God will always get His way, despite our best efforts not to be saved."
Do Catholics teach some form of Universalism?
Chess is built entirely off of the implementation of logic.
You get into heaven primarily by having faith.
Faith is the opposite of logic.
Therefore, getting into heaven is nothing like winning a chess game.
Chess is built entirely off of the implementation of logic.
You get into heaven primarily by having faith.
Faith is the opposite of logic.
Therefore, getting into heaven is nothing like winning a chess game.
You get into heaven primarily by having faith.
What exactly do you think throwing around a bunch of pejorative adjectives accomplishes? If you have a point then state it.You completely missed the point.
You don't need 3 passages to back up your ridiculously obvious, common sense, universally accepted idea that the words of other people are recorded in the bible. No one is challenging that. It is a tangent.
You completely missed the point.
That is not a pot-kettle situation which is person 1 accusing person 2 of doing what person 1 is doing.I used Romans 5:18-19 to prove universalism from Romans. Then you went on a wild goose chase with verses from other epistles & contexts. Pot-kettle, anyone?...
I do know that you try to prove several passages, in Paul, which clearly state that certain people will not inherit the kingdom of God don't really mean that because of something Paul said to a different church.
... would have understood and Paul did not tell them otherwise. point, set, match.
And what did Paul say?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
(9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
(10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
(19) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
(20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
(21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5
(5) For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Where does Paul ever qualify his warnings about who cannot enter the kingdom of God by saying "not until they repent & cease being unrighteous?" I can't seem to find that qualification anywhere in Paul's writings. Do you suppose that Paul forgot to put that in and that is why unis today have to interject that into every one of Paul's warnings?
"Wait a minute. If the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God, why does Paul say "and such were some of you?" If they were unrighteous, then how did they inherit the kingdom?"
They had to be cleansed first, of course. As long as anyone is not cleansed, they have no part inside. But once cleansed, they they entered the kingdom."
So the passages you quoted are perfectly harmonious with universal salvation.
The King said to his servants: The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
And the Lord JESUS warned: Matthew 22:9-14
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the King came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the King to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
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If you accuse me of misinterpreting something show me how or keep your accusations to yourself.It does really mean that, which i've never denied, but not according to your imaginary mis-interpretation of it. As previous discussions on the passage revealed:
Note the tenses of the verbs "Were" past tense. "Are, present tense."And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
The words of anonymous "commentators" with no demonstrated or stated qualification, are irrelevant.As a commentator says:
Please show me any verse(s) which state that all those groups that Paul mentioned will be cleansed?"They had to be cleansed first, of course. As long as anyone is not cleansed, they have no part inside. But once cleansed, they they entered the kingdom."
No they are not! What did the Corinthians, Galatians and Ephesians understand when Paul said all those groups would not inherit the kingdom of God? There is no record that they were ever told anything different.So the passages you quoted are perfectly harmonious with universal salvation.
Matthew 25:46Where does that, or any other Scripture, say anyone will be annihilated forever or suffer endless tortures?
This is almost infuriating. Again, you completely missed the point.The words of anonymous "commentators" with no demonstrated or stated qualification, are irrelevant.
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