Animals

[renniks]

The same God sacrificed His own Son, who is fully human.

Why don't you think caring for a dog is treating it like it has human rights? We have the same rights too - food, water, shelter, etc.

And the right to kill and eat animals. (see Acts 10) How is raising a sheep ,feeding and taking care of it any different than taking care of a dog? And at the end of the day the sheep is butchered and ate, by us or whoever buys it.
What kind of human would you think I was if I said it was okay to kill and eat other humans?

 

[GodLovesCats]

They go into the dirt. there's absolutely no biblical evidence that animals have souls.

So what? People go into the dirt too. All species came from the same place and will return to the same place, according to Scripture.

 

[GodLovesCats]

The problem with a lot of these animal advocates is all they have is their pet animals,they are cut off from the rest of society and all they think about is their pets. so it twists their vision of Gods plan for mankind. It also creates a disconnect between them and the rest of the human family.

Some of the most dysfunctional people I have ever met are individuals that have extreme affinity for animals without a balance for people and of course the creator.

Why do you sterotype animal lovers as people who don't like other people and only care about pets?

 

[GodLovesCats]

And the right to kill and eat animals. (See Acts 10) How is raising a sheep, feeding and taking care of it any different than taking care of a dog? And at the end of the day the sheep is butchered and ate, by us or whoever buys it.

What kind of human would you think I was if I said it was okay to kill and eat other humans?

The difference is God identifies certain species as livestock and has a list of animals we can and can't eat. Leviticus prohibits eating any animal that has paws. It does not say the same thing about sheep. So why does anyone believe God wants people to kill any animals which are not identified as livestock?

 

[Daniel C]

The difference is God identifies certain species as livestock and has a list of animals we can and can't eat. Leviticus prohibits eating any animal that has paws. It does not say the same thing about sheep. So why does anyone believe God wants people to kill any animals which are not identified as livestock?

You are in error here.

The kosher laws that were set out in Leviticus laws have now been ended by the fulfilment of Jesus:

Matthew
10 And he (Jesus) called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.


You don't understand kosher law,the sacrificial laws and you don't understand God.

You should take council from people who do understand,to build a greater relationship with God.

 

[renniks]

So what? People go into the dirt too. All species came from the same place and will return to the same place, according to Scripture.

U'm, except there's lots about heaven and hell for humans, not about critters.

 

[renniks]

The difference is God identifies certain species as livestock and has a list of animals we can and can't eat. Leviticus prohibits eating any animal that has paws. It does not say the same thing about sheep. So why does anyone believe God wants people to kill any animals which are not identified as livestock?

You didn't read Acts 10 obviously. Those rules were done away with. All meat is now permissible

 

[mmksparbud]

Luk 12:6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
Luk 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Nobody has said a thing about loving animals more than people. Only you. God diode for our sins, not for animals. Yet, the new earth will have no animals that hurt or eat others, and no humans who will eat animals. Animals, too, will get a much better world.
I feel sorry for you---for you seem to have never had the loyalty and unconditional love of an animal. Until you do, you will never understand what people here have been trying to tell you. All you can do is call us heathens and pagans and totally misunderstand what is being said. You have no insight to offer that is not offered by just reading the bible and how Jesus loved all His creations, though we are of much more value, for He died for us--He died for us because we sin. He didn't have to die for animals, they do not sin.

 

[renniks]

He didn't have to die for animals, they do not sin.

Because they can't. They do things that would be horrible sins for us... But since they merely act on instinct they can't be held accountable for it.

 

[mmksparbud]

Because they can't. They do things that would be horrible sins for us... But since they merely act on instinct they can't be held accountable for it.

Yes--I know that.

 

[Daniel C]

Pay attention now

Nobody has said a thing about loving animals more than people. Only you. God diode for our sins, not for animals. Yet, the new earth will have no animals that hurt or eat others, and no humans who will eat animals. Animals, too, will get a much better world.
I feel sorry for you---for you seem to have never had the loyalty and unconditional love of an animal. Until you do, you will never understand what people here have been trying to tell you. All you can do is call us heathens and pagans and totally misunderstand what is being said. You have no insight to offer that is not offered by just reading the bible and how Jesus loved all His creations, though we are of much more value, for He died for us--He died for us because we sin. He didn't have to die for animals, they do not sin.

I don't want ''unconditional love'' of an animal. I want love and redemption from my God,friendship from my human family and love from a wife and children. And as an aspiring evangelist I love my neighbor to save them by preaching the Gospel. This is where my heart is,saving humanity,not animal rescue operations. The time I love animals the most is when they are served up to me on a plate.

If you don't like my posts,get out of my thread and don't come back.

 

[mmksparbud]

Pay attention now





I don't want ''unconditional love'' of an animal. I want love and redemption from my God,friendship from my human family and love from a wife and children. And as an aspiring evangelist I love my neighbor to save them by preaching the Gospel. This is where my heart is,saving humanity,not animal rescue operations. The time I love animals the most is when they are served up to me on a plate.

If you don't like my posts,get out of my thread and don't come back.

And who doesn't want the love of God? What makes you think that you can have only one or the other??? I'll get out of your post when I want for this is a website for debates! Every pastor I know, every converted Christian I know has as their primary goal the salvation of people--that they also love all of what God created for us to enjoy does in no way detract from their mission. People who place no importance on the creations of God are no more holy than those who do---except in their own minds.

 

[GodLovesCats]

You should take council from people who do understand, to build a greater relationship with God.

You are not allowed to say I don't understand God. It is obvious you don't understand what He said about creating animals to live and multiply all over Earth, then saving the lives of many animal species during a huge worldwide flood. I asked you why not and you still have not answered.

I will keep asking you that question until you answer it! All you have to do is give me an answer and I will stop. Why don't you understand Genesis 1:20-28 is about LOVING animals?

 

[GodLovesCats]

U'm, except there's lots about heaven and hell for humans, not about critters.

The same place is dust.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Because they can't. They do things that would be horrible sins for us... But since they merely act on instinct they can't be held accountable for it.

Huh? Tbey do nothing that is as bad as what people do to us.

 

[GodLovesCats]

You didn't read Acts 10 obviously. Those rules were done away with. All meat is now permissible.

So you would rather eat your dog than a chicken?

 

[Daniel C]

You are not allowed to say I don't understand God. It is obvious you don't understand what He said about creating animals to live and multiply all over Earth, then saving the lives of many animal species during a huge worldwide flood. I asked you why not and you still have not answered.

I will keep asking you that question until you answer it! All you have to do is give me an answer and I will stop.

Well it's a fact you contradicted yourself over the laws. I don't think you know the Bible very well and I mean this as encouragement,for you to work on that,so you don't keep making errors and become harmonized with Gods will.

I'm under no obligation to answer any questions and trying to pressure me into answering will only make me more inclined to resist it.

 

[renniks]

So you would rather eat your dog than a chicken?

Depends how hungry I was... Asians eat a lot of dog meat. It doesn't sound appealing to me, but then I wasn't raised on it. I eat a lot of deer, and have eaten stuff like beaver and muskrat. Love squirrel and rabbits.

 

[renniks]

The same place is dust.

Really you're going to pick out one verse of Ecclesiastes, and ignore the whole rest of the Bible? You do realize in Ecclesiastes, Solomon is contrasting two types of thinking? Humanist and the eternal perspective. He's not saying animals and people are the same at all.

 

[Daniel C]

And who doesn't want the love of God? What makes you think that you can have only one or the other??? I'll get out of your post when I want for this is a website for debates! Every pastor I know, every converted Christian I know has as their primary goal the salvation of people--that they also love all of what God created for us to enjoy does in no way detract from their mission. People who place no importance on the creations of God are no more holy than those who do---except in their own minds.

How much soul winning do you do or have you done in the past?