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Animals, Thought, the Soul And LCMS

Discussion in 'Theologia Crucis - Lutherans' started by Hope1960, Oct 1, 2020.

  1. Hope1960

    Hope1960 Well-Known Member

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    Crows Are Capable of Conscious Thought, Scientists Demonstrate For The First Time


    Many people insist that it goes against Christianity to say that animals can think, much less that they have have souls. Well, besides apes, crows have been found to have conscious thought. Does this fact go against LCMS teaching or is it ok to believe as a Lutheran LCMS that some animals have conscious thought and therefore may have souls that go to heaven?
    I think that Catholicism which is my previous background, would deny this.
     
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  2. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    Whales also , in fact whales call each other by name! Personally I have no trouble believing that animals think or that they have souls.
     
  3. Hope1960

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    I’d don’t either, but I do want to know the LCMS take on it.
     
  4. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    My bad I just realized I was in the wrong forum
     
  5. Hope1960

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    That’s ok. :)
     
  6. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Curious, what is the LCMS position on Ecclesiastes 3:19-21?
     
  7. Hope1960

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    I don’t know.
     
  8. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Might be a good question to ask.
     
  9. Hope1960

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    You just did.
     
  10. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    I meant, since you're Lutheran, you can ask if you want to know.

    Just food for thought.
     
  11. Hope1960

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  12. Hope1960

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    Id prefer to deal with one question at a time.
     
  13. Hope1960

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    I’d prefer to deal with one question at a time.
     
  14. Michael Collum

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    I was under the impression the passage I posted originally was related to this subject matter. However perhaps I was mistaken. My bad.
     
  15. Nigel Malka

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    Are there animals in heaven - I would say yes, God created them and must like them so he would have them around. Do there have souls? well first you would have to define what is a soul, for me it is in having a relationship with Our Heavenly Father and as we know dogs can have a relationship with man then why not the same thing with God. Now we get on to the real issue, can an animal (not human) have a conscious thought to decide to believe in God and then to know and keep to his ways and for that I would think the answer is no.
     
  16. Hope1960

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    Anyone else?
     
  17. Daniel9v9

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    Well, simply speaking, humans and animals are created uniquely from one another. Humans are made in the image and likeness of God, whereas animals are not. We share many properties - intelligence and instinct are some of what we share - and animals can certainly be very intelligent, but they have no real understanding of sin and righteousness.

    Will we see our pets in heaven? The Bible doesn't answer this question in any explicit way, but we can take comfort in that God will restore all things and make all things new, and it will be perfect, uncorrupt, and very good.
     
  18. Nigel Malka

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    I hope you are right but looking at what God does I have a feeling it will not all be as perfect as we think perfect should be, but it will be very good.
     
  19. Daniel9v9

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    Well, Scriptures describe the new creation as a world without sin, death, and pain, and a place where we get to share in God’s glory that Christ won for us. I can’t think of anything more perfect.
     
  20. Nigel Malka

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    Well I hope you are right but I just have a feeling that we will not be doing nothing and if therefore we are doing something we will be challenged since life is a challenge. If given a challenge then we have the option of doing things well or failing, even some of his angles failed and they must have know God first hand. I just can't see me or anyone living forever in heaven being happy doing nothing. But Hey Ho I will find out soon enough for God is Good.
     
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