Angels & Demons?

[Francis Drake]

.............. If there are no verses in the bible that detail what a demon looks like, then claiming the ability to see demons is unbiblical.

That is such illogical nonsense.

Here's another equally valid statement.
Anyone claiming "the ability to see demons is unbiblical", is making an entirely unbiblical statement!

FYI. The motor car, aeroplane, TV, radio, steam train, computer, etc are all unbiblical, so Christians should avoid them at all costs.

 

[Francis Drake]

It would seem that, besides Satan being able to still appear as an angel of light, that demons can only be felt, so to speak.

After complaining that people were bringing stuff not found in the bible, that's exactly what you are doing, making stuff up.
Look at the context of your "angel of light".
2Cor11v13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Paul is actually referring to false apostles etc, comparing them to Satan. ie. the upper ranks of the physical world to the upper ranks of the demonic world. So if Satan can masquerade, and men can also masquerade, it follows that all ranks between them can masquerade including all the lesser demons and lesser members of the church.

Additionally, scripture uses the word Satan in a generic form, to represent all Satan's horde, just like historians would use Stalin as a name to represent all Russians.

That they cannot take on a corporeal form in the physical like angels can. It would seem that they can only be sensed, felt, by the wisdom of the Holy Spirit through the gift of discernment.

Having seen them, I can assure you demons have a form that can be occasionally seen and not just discerned.

When Jesus cast out Legion, they immediately left the man and went into the pigs but there was still no recording of how they look. Therefore, I can only conclude that when a demon is not attached to a person, whether by possession or outside torment, they are not actually able to be seen but are invisible.

Here's a well know quote you need to think on.
"Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence"
There are countless things not described in the bible, but that is absolutely no proof that they do not exist.

 

[Francis Drake]

Can you show me in the Bible where someone saw a demon?

We are warned that Satan can appear as an angel of light, which should be no surprise given that it was his previously position.
And given that the whole demonic host was in heaven before the rebellion, appearing as angels of light should also apply to them.

And if they can deceive us in their appearance, identifying what they look like is a fairly pointless question.

However, there are several descriptions of demons.

Lk19v19Behold, I give you the authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.
And directly related to it-
Lk11v12…11What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will give him a serpent instead? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

Revelation9 gives many vivid descriptions of demons, again scorpions, locusts, etc.

The demons I saw on different occasions of warfare were black and amorphous, alive and moving but hard to define the edge shape. A bit like a mirage, but entirely black and deeply evil..

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Goodness me Maria, why on earth is it a stumbling block to draw people's attention to the reality of the spiritual realm.
As a new believer in the 70s. it was learning the reality of such things that woke me up to the power of what Jesus did for us.

Goodness, there is a big difference between demons and angels vs Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Satan comes as an angel of light. Anyone seeking after such things like the " spiritual realm", are at risk of deception. The Holy Spirit dwells in the beliver, no need to seek other realms when He has made His Home in us.
Colossians 2
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

The demons I saw on different occasions of warfare were black and amorphous, alive and moving but hard to define the edge shape. A bit like a mirage, but entirely black and deeply evil..

This is exactly how I encountered a demon myself (interesting) however, it was not when I was a regenerated Christian, it was when I was involved in TM. This is why I am admimant about Christians who are seeking other "realms" to stay clear of it. Satan is waiting to devour.

 

[Sarah G van G]

I have seen demons, although usually I just discern their presence during deliverance when we are casting them out.

I have also occasionally seen angels, or discerned their presence.

I am sad and appalled at the massive level of unbelief as I read through this conversation.

Fair enough. I find it scary so I'm not going to direct more energy towards the subject.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

There's no need to resort to straw-man arguments folks. All I've been asking for is a biblical account where a demon was seen in the physical realm like angels were. Are there any? If not, then we should not be putting stock into being able to see demons. Things having to do with the spiritual should be tested by scripture, and scripture alone. If it does not have precedence in Scripture than it should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Francis Drake]

There's no need to resort to straw-man arguments folks. All I've been asking for is a biblical account where a demon was seen in the physical realm like angels were. Are there any? If not, then we should not be putting stock into being able to see demons. Things having to do with the spiritual should be tested by scripture, and scripture alone. If it does not have precedence in Scripture than it should be taken with a grain of salt.

You are putting people in bondage with your religious falsehood. Nowhere in scripture do we read such advice.
Most of the time, demonic activity is exposed by words of knowledge or discernment, but occasionally, they can be seen.

Jesus repeatedly cast demons out of people, and commanded us to do the same, but the comments on this thread serve to discourage people from obedience to that call. The result being that Satan continues to control the lives of many believers.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

You are putting people in bondage with your religious falsehood. Nowhere in scripture do we read such advice.
Most of the time, demonic activity is exposed by words of knowledge or discernment, but occasionally, they can be seen.

Jesus repeatedly cast demons out of people, and commanded us to do the same, but the comments on this thread serve to discourage people from obedience to that call. The result being that Satan continues to control the lives of many believers.

I'm not discouraging deliverance or anything like that. I'm just asking for Biblical precedence of a demon being seen in the physical in a corporeal form.

 

[ARBITER01]

There's no need to resort to straw-man arguments folks. All I've been asking for is a biblical account where a demon was seen in the physical realm like angels were. Are there any? If not, then we should not be putting stock into being able to see demons. Things having to do with the spiritual should be tested by scripture, and scripture alone. If it does not have precedence in Scripture than it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Do you even understand what it is you are saying?

You're making a scenario up where because you can't find a demon described in scripture, then no one can see one.

That's not how you rightly divide scripture.

It's already been pointed out to you that the gift of discerning of "spirits" is in plural, so yes, people can see demons if The Holy Spirit opens their eyesight up to see them. He has revealed them to me many times, so I trust Him and His gift, not you and your ideas.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

Do you even understand what it is you are saying?

You're making a scenario up where because you can't find a demon described in scripture, then no one can see one.

That's not how you rightly divide scripture.

It's already been pointed out to you that the gift of discerning of "spirits" is in plural, so yes, people can see demons if The Holy Spirit opens their eyesight up to see them. He has revealed them to me many times, so I trust Him and His gift, not you and your ideas.

And I trust the Bible, not you and your ideas.

 

[ARBITER01]

And I trust the Bible, not you and your ideas.

Well you see, I'm not promoting any ideas here, you are.

It's very well established in Christianity that the discerning of "spirits" gift reveals not just angels but evil spirits. It's the very purpose of that gift. This was how Jesus knew that there was a deaf and dumb spirit in a person to be cast out, as well as Paul knew there was an evil spirit in a woman declaring the truth about the gospel.

This gift has operated this way from day one. It's used prominently with the gifts of healings in these situations since it is considered a healing when a demon is cast out.

The real problem here is that you don't know anything about these gifts, beyond maybe tongues.

 

[Francis Drake]

I'm not discouraging deliverance or anything like that. I'm just asking for Biblical precedence of a demon being seen in the physical in a corporeal form.

This is utterly irrelevant to the discussion, aiding and abetting the enemy by planting disinformation.

As stated previously, just as I have seen angels, I have also seen demons.
In fact I've seen more demons than I have angels. I've seen them crawling and slithering around churches.