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Every time you trot out this 'standard' you supposedly adhere to always leads to contradiction.First off, I don't believe the universe is only 6000 years old.
It's as old as God willed it.
Could be thousands, could be millions, could be billions, could be trillions.
Second of all, I don't say everything in science can take a hike.
Only the science that contradicts the Bible, or tries to lower Its standards.
And speaking of standards, here are mine:
1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own
Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.
Now ... take a good long look at #4, and tell me if I'm saying "science can take a hike"?
I will however admit that I'm on record as saying there was not a lick of science involved during the Creation Week.
None ... zero.
BUT, it now looks like I'm appealing to theoretical science to explain how distant starlight shone on the earth before Adam was even created.
So in [pun] light [/pun] of that, I'll admit I may be making an exception. *
And if you want to crucify me for that, get to it.
I'm happy to know that GOD DID IT.
That's good enough for me.
* As I said before, He may or MAY NOT have used theoretical science (miracles?) to bring Andromeda's light to earth.
Every time you trot out this 'standard' you supposedly adhere to always leads to contradiction.
In this case does the Bible tell you anything about the Andromeda galaxy,
... how its distance is determined by the inverse square law of light intensity with distance?
Does it say anything by knowing the absolute brightness of Cepheid variables in the galaxy and their apparent brightness when measured on Earth the distance can be calculated and is found to be around 2.5 million light years?
Of course not which means you are violating your standard No (4) by not accepting the distance ...
... and ignoring why wormholes are not the answer.
Is that why I believe it is 2.537 million light years away?
OK I see you are highly confused, apart from confirming your contradiction of standard (4), isn't the whole point of this ridiculous thread to show how science can be reconciled with the creation date of 4004 BC through wormholes?I doubt that.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Is that why I believe it is 2.537 million light years away?
Don't tell me how it can't be done.
Tell me how it can be done.
Until then, I'll go with wormholes as a theoretical answer.
But you don't though.
You say that you do,
... but you twist the scientific facts to try and cram them into your very myopic and self-proclaimed interpretation that God created every 6,000 years ago, hence embedded age.
You will literally say anything and everything, as long as it doesn't contradict your interpretation of the Bible.
That's what your 'Boolean standards' amount to in the end.
Wormholes we understand. How we're not seeing Andromeda through a wormhole we also understand.
I asked how wormholes bridges the gap in other words supports a creation date of 4004 BC.
Fine.
1. Wormholes don't work as a theoretical explanation and this challenge is a bust.
2. God didn't use wormholes.
Suits me fine.
Should suit you guys fine as well.
Win-win situation.
You can take your charts and maps and whatnots and go home.
I can take my Bible and go home.
BUT ...
You're still left with explaining this:
- God created the earth.
- God created Andromeda 2.537 billion light years away.
- Earth saw Andromeda just as soon as she was created.
Yea ... actually I do.
Yup.
What scientific facts exactly?
God created everything some 6000 years ago via a series of miracles, not science.
I'll bet you would too, if you believed in the Bible.
You're a deist, aren't you?
Did God show up and part the Red Sea? feed the widow of Zarephath? send hornets ahead of the Israelite armies?
Before you accuse me of adding to the Bible, stop and take an inventory of how much you take away from It.
Let's see yours.
Why would I have to "explain" something that I think is patently false????????????????????????????????
Twisting this back to me to try and deflect from the fact that you add so much to the Bible to try and justify your own claims is noted.
You should go into making pretzels.
I wouldn't have come up with "wormholes." And not because I've somehow never heard of them already. It would be because despite the fact that I'm not a practicing scientist, I've read quite a few who are, of many kinds.Then don't.
Take my challenge as bogus and just walk away.
It won't bite.
But even if I was wrong, I'm sure some of you could have come up with "wormholes," then told me it was wrong.
I mean, what other wrong choices were there within the realm of theoretical physics?
Are you suggesting a partnership?
If so, no thanks.
I’ve been following this thread, and I see everyone is having fun.
I hope you don’t mind my two-bits.
I think that you might be looking at the problem in the wrong direction.
God created light in Genesis 1:3 and set the stars in their places in Genesis 1:16.
So the light was made first and then the stars, including Andromede, were put in their places.
So the light we see is the light from Andromede as the star move to its place.
The present location has no effect.
I can’t prove it, but it’s my take.
I might add that it fits a little with the Big Bang.
Points (1) and (2) are unfalsifiable which should provide you with a strong hint why Christians can be scientists along with atheists.BUT ...
You're still left with explaining this:
- God created the earth.
- God created Andromeda 2.537 billion light years away.
- Earth saw Andromeda just as soon as she was created.
I reread your post, and I must say that I haven’t done calculus for over 40 years. However, I would say that point 3 is also unfalsifiable. It assumes that God could not move light or solid objects faster than the speed of light, but God determined the speed of light. I might add that the days in Genesis might not be 24 hour days, since the sun wasn’t created or put in its place until day 3 or 4. Anyhow, the original creation light may have been well past the earth at that time.Points (1) and (2) are unfalsifiable which should provide you with a strong hint why Christians can be scientists along with atheists.
Point (3) is definitely falsifiable, the science shows this premise is wrong as explained in this post.
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