And then along came Mary...

[Rick Otto]

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28: But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

 

[simonthezealot]

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28: But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
God Bless Rick~
Simon

 

[IamAdopted]

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28: But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

What I have been saying all along..

 

[TheListener]

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28: But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Oh, hang on... Thats not in my Catholic Bible...

Just kidding.

What is the point of this thread?

 

[prodromos]

Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Don't you think Mary is a rather exceptionally good example of one who hears the word of God and keeps it?

John

 

[TheListener]

Don't you think Mary is a rather exceptionally good example of one who hears the word of God and keeps it?

John

Well said.

 

[Latreia]

Oh, hang on... Thats not in my Catholic Bible...

Just kidding.

What is the point of this thread?

The OP Character shown is telling us a lot.

 

[simonthezealot]

Don't you think Mary is a rather exceptionally good example of one who hears the word of God and keeps it?

John

Well from the 1/2 dozen times she is spoken of in the bible it would be a leap to Jump to that conclusion, but sure she may be!

 

[simonthezealot]

The OP Character shown is telling us a lot.

Outward appearance tells us nothing about the heart, if your comment is in reference to the beer... That is being mighty judgemental, did Christ and his apostles drink wine? Would you be willing to judge them?

 

[NewToLife]

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28: But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

It seems to me that either way Mary is indeed blessed and Christ does not say anything to the contrary here.

 

[IamAdopted]

Don't you think Mary is a rather exceptionally good example of one who hears the word of God and keeps it?

John

I think Paul is a better example.. For all He went through to bring the Gospel of Christ to the gentiles.. Peter is another shining example. Stephen was also one.. So in comparison I would say that all whom heard the word of God and believed are all shining examples saying yes to God and allowing God to work through them..

 

[IamAdopted]

It seems to me that either way Mary is indeed blessed and Christ does not say anything to the contrary here.

27While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed." 28But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."

This means in opposition of..

 

[NewToLife]

This means in opposition of..

I think you need to read the passage again, Christ might question why she is blessed but he does not deny that she is. Whether she is blessed one way or the other she is still blessed. Unless you are setting Christ at odds with the Holy Spirit who is entirely clear on the matter in Luke.

 

[simonthezealot]

. Stephen was also one.. ..

YES!
As scripture says "Stephen full of grace!"
"And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people," Acts 6:8

 

[IamAdopted]

I think you need to read the passage again, Christ might question why she is blessed but he does not deny that she is. Whether she is blessed one way or the other she is still blessed. Unless you are setting Christ at odds with the Holy Spirit who is entirely clear on the matter in Luke.

He is saying on the contrary to those whom wanted to give praise to Mary.. For it is not in Mary that anyone is set apart.. It is in doing the Fathers will.. This is what sets believers apart from unbelievers..If Jesus would have wanted Mary to have the honor some give her this would have been the ample time for Him to set it up don't you think? But instead He says on the contrary.. In opposition to this is blessed are all whom do the will of the Father.. Calling all whom believe on Him and do the will of the father Blessed..

 

[Latreia]

Outward appearance tells us nothing about the heart, if your comment is in reference to the beer... That is being mighty judgemental, did Christ and his apostles drink wine? Would you be willing to judge them?


Try to be honest. You here accuse me of being judgemental, when your every post contains accusations and vilify anything you choose to refute.

The OP character is not the person's own natural appearence. The elements were carefully chosen and put together for a purpose.

The background is a beautiful cathedral, which is a very sacred place, and especially of faiths which venerate the Virgin Mary.

The religious attire is also that worn by representatives of the same church, and is not meant to be seen as respectful.

So we have a deliberate image of possibly a priest, standing in a cathedral holding a frosty mug of beer. The final jab is the huge bag of money laying at his feet.

So don't try to rebuke anyone who sees this as the deliberate and insulting parody of a religion whose faithful number in the millions.

 

[simonthezealot]

The OP character is not the person's own natural appearence. The elements were carefully chosen and put together for a purpose.

Ask the purpose, your assumption I'd say appears judgemental.

The background is a beautiful cathedral, which is a very sacred place, and especially of faiths which venerate the Virgin Mary.

The religious attire is also that worn by representatives of the same church, and is not meant to be seen as respectful.

So we have a deliberate image of possibly a priest, standing in a cathedral holding a frosty mug of beer. The final jab is the huge bag of money laying at his feet..

Maybe he was abused in a cathedral growing up by a drunk priest and was paid off so the priest didn't go to jail...
That surely does not seem inconceivable from what I've heard regarding the places known for venerating their version of Mary...
Does it to you? Truly?

So don't try to rebuke anyone who sees this as the deliberate and insulting parody of a religion whose faithful number in the millions.

Numbers mean nothing!

 

[simonthezealot]

Don't worry "pope Rick "
I got your back!

 

[Rick Otto]

"What is the point of this thread?"

>Enlightened discussion.

For example, it was posited that she is an "exceptionaly" good example.
>I agree she is a good example, but what about her example makes her exceptional?

Also, it has been asserted that the OP quote says nothing CONTRARY.
While I would agree she is is indeed blessed, I think it important to note that the scripture says "Yeah, RATHER" (emphasis mine).
Rather does indeed invoke a contrariness to the at least a nuance of blessedeness that was being invoked by the women with the loud voice.

It is not the fact of her having been blessed, it is the superlative degree being asserted that has to borrow, if not steal, some of God's glory to exist. Otherwise, it might've read "Yeah, AND..." instead of "Yeah, RAther..."

Does "JUDGEMENTAL" mean "DISCERNING"?
If so, then yes, I'm being "judgemental".
If it means, condemning, no I'm not being that, but I sense you are of me.

My Mary venerating priests drank often & publicly. The Schlitz Beer truck would pull up to the rectory once a month, I noticed from the playground, in about 5th grade.

My CF background is sacred in some men's minds. The temple of The Holy Spirit is something completely different, I've read somewhere...

If the number of members in an organization make it exempt from parody... well, you know the drill, equating quantity with quality...

So NewToLife should relax about any of us saying Mary isn't blessed. Mary IS blessed, just not in the way the loud woman was suggesting.
Her pointing out Mary at that moment, was threatening to re-contextualize the reason & purpose for it, otherwise Jesus would've just agreed.
By introducing her name & blessing her in that way, it sounded like we have her to thank for all of this.
That is all Christ was correcting.

 

[Latreia]

"What is the point of this thread?"

>Enlightened discussion.

Does "JUDGEMENTAL" mean "DISCERNING"?
If so, then yes, I'm being "judgemental".
If it means, condemning, no I'm not being that, but I sense you are of me.

My Mary venerating priests drank often & publicly. The Schlitz Beer truck would pull up to the rectory once a month, I noticed from the playground, in about 5th grade.

My CF background is sacred in some men's minds. The temple of The Holy Spirit is something completely different, I've read somewhere...

If the number of members in an organization make it exempt from parody... well, you know the drill, equating quantity with quality...

That kind of rationalizing self-justification for clear intent to offend members of the Catholic Church is awesome.

You are using those smilies I listed above in your OP, along with your distain for the sacred faith of other members who post on this forum, for the intention of sarcasm.

You call it "parody" and you use that excuse of humor to rationalize your distain. You want to use your right to criticize to insult religion because that is what this site encourages and promotes acceptance of.

Discussion and debate should not include insults, demonizing, and contempt, unless you like to make a sport out of it.

You are making frantic disclaimers of your ill intent by explaining your entitlement to post absolutely anything you like and then showing distain to any who challenge your attitude.

Perhaps you forget that whatever priests or anybody, including yourself, may do anywhere else besides in a sacred cathedral does not excuse displaying those actions inside it.

You still make no excuse for the huge money bag, so I guess you indicate that, although you made the point of including it, I am not allowed to mention it?

It is most distressing to see not only this insulting attitude proudly displayed, but the uncomprehending and ignominious insistence that such behavior must be acceptible.