And other RNC speaker removed...

[Redwingfan9]

Sorry, not buying false moral equivalence. Opposing Zionism is not the same thing as declaring that American Jews are out to enslave the rest of us.

This whole discussion is grotesquely petty. The Republican Party isn't antisemitic and the policies and actions of Republicans in office over the last three generations bear that out.

 

[The Barbarian]

This whole discussion is grotesquely petty. The Republican Party isn't antisemitic a

But many Trump supporters are antisemites. When Spencer the neo-nazi, announced that he wanted to be on the winning side, and endorsed Biden, Biden promptly and bluntly denounced him and told him he wanted none of his support.

Trump wasn't so eager to lose Spencer's people, when Spencer was shouting "Hail Trump."

 

[The Barbarian]

A convicted torturer/rapist spoke at the DNC.

Perhaps you're thinking of the republicans. And he was only a volunteer on Trump's campaign. And technically, he was convicted of child molestation:
Nader, 61, served as a key point of contact between members of President Donald Trump's inner circle and Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed.


According to Mueller, Nader sought to serve as an intermediary between members of Donald Trump's transition team and Russian businessman Kirill Dmitriev, an ally of President Vladimir Putin, late in 2016.


He also arranged a meeting between Dmitriev and Erik Prince, the Trump-linked founder of the US private mercenary firm Blackwater, which has been accused of committing war crimes in Iraq.


In January 2018, Nader was caught with "visual depictions of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct" on his phone after he landed in New York on a flight from Dubai, the US Justice Department said last year.


But he was not arrested until June 2019, after Mueller had concluded his investigation.


The guilty plea and 10-year sentence are mostly based on a 2000 incident when Nader brought a 14-year-old boy from the Czech Republic into the United States for sexual exploitation.
US court sentences George Nader to 10 years on child sex charges

Perhaps you're thinking of Donna Hylton. She was, when she was 20, murdered a man in a gruesome case that included kidnapping, torture, and ultimately murder. She spent 27 years in prison, ultimately repenting of her sins, becoming a Christian minister, and turning her life around.

"Even now," she writes, "half a decade after leaving prison, not a day goes by that I don't think about Mr. Vigliarolo. Not a day goes by that I don't think of his family, the fear they must have felt as they imagined him in fear, wondering where he was for eleven nights and worried for what he might have been experiencing.”

On August 20, 2020, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) included Hylton in a list of 22 of "America's most impactful community leaders" who participated in a video reading of the Preamble to the Constitution during a televised portion of the convention.
Donna Hylton - Wikipedia

There are some salient differences between these two, and not just in Nader's lack of remorse for his heinous crimes.

The ones that seems to matter for the right, are Nader is a white conservative male.

 

[Redwingfan9]

But many Trump supporters are antisemites. When Spencer the neo-nazi, announced that he wanted to be on the winning side, and endorsed Biden, Biden promptly and bluntly denounced him and told him he wanted none of his support.

Trump wasn't so eager to lose Spencer's people, when Spencer was shouting "Hail Trump."

I have no idea who Spencer is. It isn't the duty of any politician to denounce every crackpot who endorses him.

 

[renniks]

Perhaps you're thinking of Donna Hylton. She was, when she was 20, murdered a man in a gruesome case that included kidnapping, torture, and ultimately murder. She spent 27 years in prison, ultimately repenting of her sins, becoming a Christian minister, and turning her life around.

And yet you are complaining about a few tweets. I would think murderer would be higher on the concern scale.

 

[The Barbarian]

And yet you are complaining about a few tweets. I would think murderer would be higher on the concern scale.

Just because she's pushing a narrative that says Jews are trying to enslave us all.

I get that you don't think conversion to Christianity can change even a murderer, or that in 27 years, she might have repented and become something different.

But if those critical of her, had the kind of faith in God it took for that criminal to repent, take responsibility for her crime, and to become a minister of God, they would see it differently.

Wouldn't be the first time, after all.

Acts 9:13 But Ananias answered: Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints in Jerusalem. [14] And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that invoke thy name. [15] And the Lord said to him: Go thy way; for this man is to me a vessel of election, to carry my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.

 

[The Barbarian]

I have no idea who Spencer is. It isn't the duty of any politician to denounce every crackpot who endorses him.

Because Spencer is a racist and a despicable person, Biden quickly rejected him.

Trump didn't do so, for the same reasons.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Because Spencer is a racist and a despicable person, Biden quickly rejected him.

Trump didn't do so, for the same reasons.

You're assuming that Trump knows who Spencer is and what be believes. Believe it or not many politicians don't keep up with whoever Twitter is outraged over at any particular time.

 

[renniks]

But if you had the kind of faith in God it took for that criminal to repent, take responsibility for her crime, and to become a minister of God, you'd see it differently.

Really? You're going to question my faith? First off, it is against forum rules. Second, it's still a bad idea to have a convicted rapist and murderer speaking as an influencer at the DNC.
But you are more concerned about someone having an opinion about the Jews but she was pulled anyway so what is your beef?

 

[The Barbarian]

Really? You're going to question my faith?

No.

I'm just saying that she had exceptional faith to turn her life around and accept Christ. How many of us could have done that? And while she is indeed a sinner, she is a sinner whose faith in God saved her. If God decides to use killers like St. Paul and Hylton to preach His Gospel, who is anyone to second-guess Him?

Do you think Nader, before or after he was working with Trump, repented of his sexual abuse of children?

 

[renniks]

Do you think Nader, before or after he was working with Trump, repented of his sexual abuse of children

Why? Is Nadar speaking at the RNC?

 

[The Barbarian]

You're assuming that Trump knows who Spencer is and what be believes.

He was repeatedly reminded. And yes, he knows who Spencer is:

Born in Boston in 1978 to an ophthalmologist Rand Spencer and his wife Sherry, Spencer popularized the term “alt right” to define politics that combined racist White nationalism with isolationism and criticism of mainstream conservatism. Spencer grew up in Texas, Virginia and North Carolina and met President Trump’s senior adviser Stephen Miller at the Duke Conservative Union.
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Spencer supported Trump before the 2016 presidential election and hailed the latter’s decision to appoint Steve Bannon as the chief White House strategist, saying Bannon would be the “best possible position” to influence policy. Bannon did not last in his post even seven months. Praising Trump, Spencer also said then: “No matter what happens, I will be profoundly grateful to Donald Trump for the rest of my life.” he shot to national fame in 2016 after shouting “Hail Trump!” and being greeted with typical Nazi salutes at an event in Washington shortly after Trump’s re-election.
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Avoiding crude slurs, something that Trump hardly cares about, was another reason why Spencer attracted national attention at the time. Last November, however, Spencer was apparently caught using racist slurs on tape against African-American and Jewish people. The audio was released by former Breitbart writer Milo Yiannopoulos on YouTube.


For many, Spencer’s endorsement of Biden was comparable with that of former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke, for Trump. On the campaign trail in 2016, Trump was asked time and again about Duke’s support but he kept on insisting that he had no idea about Duke. He even said on one occasion that he first needed to do research on such groups and would disavow if he found there was something wrong. He eventually disavowed Duke’s support for him but the latter remained loyal and even wanted Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson as Trump’s deputy instead of Mike Pence.

Believe it or not many politicians don't keep up with whoever Twitter is outraged over at any particular time.

I think most Americans are disgusted with Spencer and his racists outbursts against blacks and Jews. But he has a following and Trump thinks some of them are "very good people."

I'm guessing that Spencer has figured the best thing he can do for Trump is endorse Biden. But I kinda doubt if any black or Jewish voters are going to be fooled.

 

[The Barbarian]

Why? Is Nadar speaking at the RNC?

The Trump campaign. And later for the Trump state department.

George Nader, who was a key witness in the Russia investigation and informally advised President Donald Trump's team on foreign policy, was sentenced on Friday to 10 years in prison by a federal judge in Virginia, stemming from his convictions on child sex charges.
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As part of a plea deal, the Justice Department agreed to recommend that Nader only receive the mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in prison.

A Middle East specialist with connections to powerful figures throughout the region, Nader attended diplomatic meetings between foreign officials and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, former chief strategist Steve Bannon and former national security adviser Michael Flynn. He "helped arrange" Trump's first international trip to Saudi Arabia in 2017, his lawyers said.
George Nader, a key witness in the Mueller investigation and informal Trump adviser, gets 10 years in prison in child sex case

This isn't his first conviction for these crimes, though. Either Trump has the worst vetting processes in American history, or it just didn't bother him that Nader was a convicted pedophile.

 

[Redwingfan9]

He was repeatedly reminded. And yes, he knows who Spencer is:

Born in Boston in 1978 to an ophthalmologist Rand Spencer and his wife Sherry, Spencer popularized the term “alt right” to define politics that combined racist White nationalism with isolationism and criticism of mainstream conservatism. Spencer grew up in Texas, Virginia and North Carolina and met President Trump’s senior adviser Stephen Miller at the Duke Conservative Union.
...
Spencer supported Trump before the 2016 presidential election and hailed the latter’s decision to appoint Steve Bannon as the chief White House strategist, saying Bannon would be the “best possible position” to influence policy. Bannon did not last in his post even seven months. Praising Trump, Spencer also said then: “No matter what happens, I will be profoundly grateful to Donald Trump for the rest of my life.” he shot to national fame in 2016 after shouting “Hail Trump!” and being greeted with typical Nazi salutes at an event in Washington shortly after Trump’s re-election.
...
Avoiding crude slurs, something that Trump hardly cares about, was another reason why Spencer attracted national attention at the time. Last November, however, Spencer was apparently caught using racist slurs on tape against African-American and Jewish people. The audio was released by former Breitbart writer Milo Yiannopoulos on YouTube.


For many, Spencer’s endorsement of Biden was comparable with that of former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke, for Trump. On the campaign trail in 2016, Trump was asked time and again about Duke’s support but he kept on insisting that he had no idea about Duke. He even said on one occasion that he first needed to do research on such groups and would disavow if he found there was something wrong. He eventually disavowed Duke’s support for him but the latter remained loyal and even wanted Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson as Trump’s deputy instead of Mike Pence.



I think most Americans are disgusted with Spencer and his racists outbursts against blacks and Jews. But he has a following and Trump thinks some of them are "very good people."

I'm guessing that Spencer has figured the best thing he can do for Trump is endorse Biden. But I kinda doubt if any black or Jewish voters are going to be fooled.

Most voters have no idea who Spencer is and based on what you posted there is zero evidence Trump knows who he is.

 

[iluvatar5150]

And not everyone does (myself included).

Out of curiosity, which citizens do you think ought to not have the right to vote?

 

[tbstor]

Out of curiosity, which citizens do you think ought to not have the right to vote?

Most. I don't believe democracy is an ideal form of government. Maybe some aristocratic class could vote.

 

[The Barbarian]

Most. I don't believe democracy is an ideal form of government. Maybe some aristocratic class could vote.

The problem lies in who gets to be the "aristocrats."

Any such arrangements always descend into corruption and ultimately violence.

 

[tbstor]

Any such arrangements always descend into corruption and ultimately violence.

And democracy doesn't?

 

[The Barbarian]

And democracy doesn't?

That's the beauty of it. Tends to self-correct. Think of Nixon. Do you think Trump is smarter than Nixon was?

 

[tbstor]

That's the beauty of it. Tends to self-correct. Think of Nixon. Do you think Trump is smarter than Nixon was?

Self-correcting? Trump is still in office and is still a legitimate contender in the election. There is a very real possibility that he will be reelected. What then?

Going back to the violence aspect, our democracy is in a continual state of bombing other nations. And, according to some, it is executing minorities in the streets with militarized police.