AND JESUS SAID TO THE WOMAN , GO AND SIN NO MORE IN JOHN 8:10 !!

[Dan Perez]

This is a famous verse where Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground and the ones who accused her of adultery , says that the n LAW of Moses commanded them to , that such should be STONED .

We cannot stone anyone today as we are NOT under the 613 Laws that governed Israel , even when many say that we are the OLD TESTAMENT COVENANT ,''

In verse 7 He said said he that is with sin , cast the first stone .

Then Jesus b stooped down and wrote again

Then , from the eldest to the unto the last and Jesus was left alone ,

Then Jesus asked her , where are your accusers ?

In verse 11 No man , Lord , neither do I condemn thee , go and SIN NO MORE !

Does not say that she was repented , why NOT ??

Some , still believe that we are under the Law and Sabbath and it Saturday , nor work issue . like a SABBATH DAY JOURNEY .

The Greek word GO // POREVO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , in the MIDDLE or PRESENT VOICE , in the IMPERATIVE MOOD which means a command to not SIN and is in the SINGULAR .

Sin // HAMATANO is also in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE means the Christ is helping her out ,

NO MORE // G3371 in STRONG'S G3371 .

Remember that Israel was the word called ATONEMENT that COVERED there sins , and we are blessed , that our SINS have been forgiven for EVER , and that we are part of Christ will GOVERN Christ Universe and his ANGELS .

And we see what can happen to though in 1 Cor 5:1--13 so lets fight the good fight of FAITH

dan p

 

[Unqualified]

He told her to repent. If she sinned no more, that was her repentance.

 

[Dan Perez]

He told her to repent. If she sinned no more, that was her repentance.

I read John 8:11 Jesus said , NEITHER do I condemn thee , go and sin no more >

Acts 2:38 says for all Jews to REPENT , and what is the difference between the two ?

dan p

 

[tdidymas]

This is a famous verse where Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground and the ones who accused her of adultery , says that the n LAW of Moses commanded them to , that such should be STONED .

We cannot stone anyone today as we are NOT under the 613 Laws that governed Israel , even when many say that we are the OLD TESTAMENT COVENANT ,''

In verse 7 He said said he that is with sin , cast the first stone .

Then Jesus b stooped down and wrote again

Then , from the eldest to the unto the last and Jesus was left alone ,

Then Jesus asked her , where are your accusers ?

In verse 11 No man , Lord , neither do I condemn thee , go and SIN NO MORE !

Does not say that she was repented , why NOT ??

Some , still believe that we are under the Law and Sabbath and it Saturday , nor work issue . like a SABBATH DAY JOURNEY .

The Greek word GO // POREVO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , in the MIDDLE or PRESENT VOICE , in the IMPERATIVE MOOD which means a command to not SIN and is in the SINGULAR .

Sin // HAMATANO is also in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE means the Christ is helping her out ,

NO MORE // G3371 in STRONG'S G3371 .

Remember that Israel was the word called ATONEMENT that COVERED there sins , and we are blessed , that our SINS have been forgiven for EVER , and that we are part of Christ will GOVERN Christ Universe and his ANGELS .

And we see what can happen to though in 1 Cor 5:1--13 so lets fight the good fight of FAITH

dan p

It is likely she repented because the story got into the gospels. If she obeyed Jesus' command to sin no more, then that action was repentance.

But according to Hebrews 7:12 and 8:8-10, whoever is in the New Covenant doesn't need the 10 commandments, because the moral will of God becomes their nature, being motivated by the indwelling Spirit. And if Heb. 8:13 is true, then the old covenant with its 613 laws (including the 10 commandments) is obsolete, and Paul's statement in Rom. 10:4 is true, that "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes." Therefore, we have no choice, but to passively trust God to work His righteousness through us, since we have been made righteous in God's sight by trusting in the work of Christ. This is what it means to be in the New Covenant.

 

[Unqualified]

We still have to obey the Ten Commandments or where will the knowledge of sin come from. Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. We don’t become righteous by obeying it. But we trust God for his righteousness by trusting in Jesus. The law is established it has its place. Actively trust God.

 

[Unqualified]

I read John 8:11 Jesus said , NEITHER do I condemn thee , go and sin no more >

Acts 2:38 says for all Jews to REPENT , and what is the difference between the two ?

dan p

maybe he could tell that she learned her lesson. But did any of the apostles say the words. They also led a changed life. Peter admitted to being sinful. The two are effective. Now we let God know by words because Jesus is not here to know. But who truly repents the one who says it and doesn’t lead a changed life or the one who does change his life.

 

[Dan Perez]

We still have to obey the Ten Commandments or where will the knowledge of sin come from. Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. We don’t become righteous by obeying it. But we trust God for his righteousness by trusting in Jesus. The law is established it has its place. Actively trust God.

Since Israel has been set aside , Acts 28:25-28 and in 2 Cor 3:13-15 why does the BODY of Christ have to obey the TEN COMMANDMENTS ??

We are saved by GRACE , . Eph 2:8 , NOT by keeping the Ten Commandments !!

dan p

 

[Unqualified]

Since Israel has been set aside , Acts 28:25-28 and in 2 Cor 3:13-15 why does the BODY of Christ have to obey the TEN COMMANDMENTS ??

We are saved by GRACE , . Eph 2:8 , NOT by keeping the Ten Commandments !!

dan p

That’s pert of which makes us separate, holy, godly. Israel is back in prophecy as Gods people. That’s how you love God and your neighbor.

 

[Soyeong]

This is a famous verse where Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground and the ones who accused her of adultery , says that the n LAW of Moses commanded them to , that such should be STONED .

We cannot stone anyone today as we are NOT under the 613 Laws that governed Israel , even when many say that we are the OLD TESTAMENT COVENANT ,''

In verse 7 He said said he that is with sin , cast the first stone .

Then Jesus b stooped down and wrote again

Then , from the eldest to the unto the last and Jesus was left alone ,

Then Jesus asked her , where are your accusers ?

In verse 11 No man , Lord , neither do I condemn thee , go and SIN NO MORE !

Does not say that she was repented , why NOT ??

Some , still believe that we are under the Law and Sabbath and it Saturday , nor work issue . like a SABBATH DAY JOURNEY .

The Greek word GO // POREVO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , in the MIDDLE or PRESENT VOICE , in the IMPERATIVE MOOD which means a command to not SIN and is in the SINGULAR .

Sin // HAMATANO is also in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE means the Christ is helping her out ,

NO MORE // G3371 in STRONG'S G3371 .

Remember that Israel was the word called ATONEMENT that COVERED there sins , and we are blessed , that our SINS have been forgiven for EVER , and that we are part of Christ will GOVERN Christ Universe and his ANGELS .

And we see what can happen to though in 1 Cor 5:1--13 so lets fight the good fight of FAITH

dan p

It is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so Jesus instructing her to go and sin no more was instructing her to to live in obedience to the Mosaic Law, which includes the command to keep the 7th day holy. God is still sovereign, so we are all still under His law and are obligated to refrain from doing what is reveals to be sin. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust God is by obediently trusting in His law and It is contradictory for someone to think that we should have faith in God, but not in the law that He has instructed.

 

[Soyeong]

But according to Hebrews 7:12 and 8:8-10, whoever is in the New Covenant doesn't need the 10 commandments, because the moral will of God becomes their nature, being motivated by the indwelling Spirit. And if Heb. 8:13 is true, then the old covenant with its 613 laws (including the 10 commandments) is obsolete, and Paul's statement in Rom. 10:4 is true, that "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes." Therefore, we have no choice, but to passively trust God to work His righteousness through us, since we have been made righteous in God's sight by trusting in the work of Christ. This is what it means to be in the New Covenant.

The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 33:13-14, Leviticus 24:8) and all of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so the only way that the New Covenant can make it obsolete is if the New Covenant does everything that it does plus more, which is what it means to make something obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). This is why the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10), plus it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the law, which is eternal life (John 17:3). In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they failed to attain righteousness because they pursued the law as through righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursuing the law as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Torah is not too difficult to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead (Titus 2:14), so nothing in this passage has anything to do with ending the Torah, but just the opposite.

Someone having a character trait means that they are a doer of that trait and the only way to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first been a doer of that trait for a certain amount as through it could be earned as a wage. For example, someone being courageous means that they are a doer of courageous works and the only way for them to become courageous is through faith that they ought to be a doer of courageous works apart from being required to have first done a certain amount of courageous works, and the same is true for being righteous. The way to believe in God is through faith that we ought to be doers of His character traits by obeying the Torah. God is trustworthy, therefore the Torah is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust God is by obeying it and It is contradictory for someone to think that we should have trust in God, but not in His instructions.

 

[Soyeong]

I read John 8:11 Jesus said , NEITHER do I condemn thee , go and sin no more >

Acts 2:38 says for all Jews to REPENT , and what is the difference between the two ?

dan p

People can repent through there actions without needing to say that they repent. If someone was a committer of adultery and then stopped being one, then their actions would show that they have repented.

Since Israel has been set aside , Acts 28:25-28 and in 2 Cor 3:13-15 why does the BODY of Christ have to obey the TEN COMMANDMENTS ??

The New Covenant is based on better promises and one of those promises is that Israel would never cease to be a nation before God (Jeremiah 31:35-37), so Israel will never be set aside and Acts 28:25-28, it says nothing about Israel being set aside. Moreover, if you think that Israel was set aside because of their disobedience to God's law, then you have no room for thinking that the Body of Christ won't be set aside for the same disobedience. In 1 Corinthians 10:1-13, we are to use Israel's disobedience to God's law as an example of what we should avoid doing, not as an example for us to emulate.

In regard to 2 Corinthians 3:13-15, the veil was preventing them from seeing that the goal of everything in Scripture is to teach about how to know Jesus, which is a veil that is still preventing people from seeing the same thing when they want to know Jesus while rejecting the law that was given to teach about how to know him.

We are saved by GRACE , . Eph 2:8 , NOT by keeping the Ten Commandments !!

dan p

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false was far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while it denies that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works, doing good works is nevertheless a central part of our salvation.

 

[Dan Perez]

People can repent through there actions without needing to say that they repent. If someone was a committer of adultery and then stopped being one, then their actions would show that they have repented.



The New Covenant is based on better promises and one of those promises is that Israel would never cease to be a nation before God (Jeremiah 31:35-37), so Israel will never be set aside and Acts 28:25-28, it says nothing about Israel being set aside. Moreover, if you think that Israel was set aside because of their disobedience to God's law, then you have no room for thinking that the Body of Christ won't be set aside for the same disobedience. In 1 Corinthians 10:1-13, we are to use Israel's disobedience to God's law as an example of what we should avoid doing, not as an example for us to emulate.

In regard to 2 Corinthians 3:13-15, the veil was preventing them from seeing that the goal of everything in Scripture is to teach about how to know Jesus, which is a veil that is still preventing people from seeing the same thing when they want to know Jesus while rejecting the law that was given to teach about how to know him.


In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false was far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while it denies that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works, doing good works is nevertheless a central part of our salvation.

And in Col 2:14 Paul says why the Law has been done away with and it says , Having been nailed to the CROSS >

And in Rom 13:9 Paul writes by the Holy Spirit that there are 4 NOT // OU and are DISJUNCTAIVE PRTICPLE NEGATIVES , do not sin on the following , :

#1 commit adultery

#2 or commit murder

# 3 not steal

#4 testify falsely

#5 not desire after

#6 and summed up by , love your neighbor as yourself .

dan p

 

[Soyeong]

And in Col 2:14 Paul says why the Law has been done away with and it says , Having been nailed to the CROSS >

The purpose of the barbarity of crucifixion was to act as a deterrent, so the Romans wanted to make sure that everyone knew why someone was being crucified by nailing a sign to their cross that announced what they had been charged with committing. This is why they nailed a sign over Christ's cross that announced the charge that was against him that he was the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37) and this is likely how the disciples knew that the people that Jesus was crucified with had been charged with being thieves. So in regard to Colossians 2:14, what was nailed to Christ's cross was the list of sins that we were charged with committing so that he died in our place to pay the penalty for our sins. There is a difference between these two statements:

1.) You shall not commit murder.

2.) This person has been charged with committing murder.

The first is an example of a law that is for our own good while the second is an example of a handwritten ordinance that was against someone that was nailed to their cross. The laws themselves were not nailed to the cross such that they needed to legislate a new law against murder every time that someone was crucified for committing murder, but what was nailed to their cross was the charge that was against them. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from any laws, but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good work in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20).

And in Rom 13:9 Paul writes by the Holy Spirit that there are 4 NOT // OU and are DISJUNCTAIVE PRTICPLE NEGATIVES , do not sin on the following , :

#1 commit adultery

#2 or commit murder

# 3 not steal

#4 testify falsely

#5 not desire after

#6 and summed up by , love your neighbor as yourself .

dan p

Everything that God commanded in the Mosaic Law is an example of how to correct love God and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them. So if you think that we should obey the greatest two commandments, then you should also think that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them, for example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't disobey the commands that you listed, but we also won't commit rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Mosaic Law.

 

[Dan Perez]

He told her to repent. If she sinned no more, that was her repentance.

I must have missed where Jesus told here to REPENT ??

Help me out ?

dan p

 

[Unqualified]

I must have missed where Jesus told here to REPENT ??

Help me out ?

dan p

maybe all the people repented at the baptism of John or the disciples too. And she only had to correct her actions.
jesus had just saved her life. She know what would happen if she went back to fornication and adultery. They would have stoned her. But all you’re talking about we really don’t know because it’s not said. Just another discussion.

but I didn’t say that.

the commandments obedience is what to do to love God and neighbor, maybe not self. I can work it out for me! You can work it out for you, not everybody has to work it out themselves. All on the same page? Why or why not.

 

[tdidymas]

The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 33:13-14, Leviticus 24:8) and all of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so the only way that the New Covenant can make it obsolete is if the New Covenant does everything that it does plus more, which is what it means to make something obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). This is why the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10), plus it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the law, which is eternal life (John 17:3). In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they failed to attain righteousness because they pursued the law as through righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursuing the law as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Torah is not too difficult to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead (Titus 2:14), so nothing in this passage has anything to do with ending the Torah, but just the opposite.

Someone having a character trait means that they are a doer of that trait and the only way to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first been a doer of that trait for a certain amount as through it could be earned as a wage. For example, someone being courageous means that they are a doer of courageous works and the only way for them to become courageous is through faith that they ought to be a doer of courageous works apart from being required to have first done a certain amount of courageous works, and the same is true for being righteous. The way to believe in God is through faith that we ought to be doers of His character traits by obeying the Torah. God is trustworthy, therefore the Torah is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust God is by obeying it and It is contradictory for someone to think that we should have trust in God, but not in His instructions.

Are you advocating that Christians must do all the law of Moses, or else they won't be saved?

 

[tdidymas]

I must have missed where Jesus told here to REPENT ??

Help me out ?

dan p

Did you miss "go and sin no more"? This is a command for her to repent from adultery. Are you not getting that?

 

[Soyeong]

Are you advocating that Christians must do all the law of Moses, or else they won't be saved?

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so there is a connection and the key is to correctly understand what that connection is and is not. So are we required to have first obeyed the Mosaic Law in order to earn our salvation as the result? No. Does the gift of Jesus saving us from being disobeyers of the Mosaic Law intrinsically require us to be obeyers of it? Yes.

While there are many verses like Romans 4:1-5 that speak against earning our salvation as the result of having first obeyed God’s law, there are also many verses like Hebrews 5:9 that support that our salvation requires us to be obeyers of it, so there must be a reason why our salvation requires us to be obeyers of it other than in order to earn our salvation as the result.

There is a difference between work done to earn something as the result and work that is intrinsically the content of a gift. For example, I could give the opportunity to experience of driving a Ferrari for an hour to someone as a gift, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work has nothing to do with trying to earn the opportunity to experience driving it as the result. Similarly, the content of God’s gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of the Mosaic Law is God’s instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23), so being an obeyer of it is intrinsically part of what the gift of eternal life is, not something that we need to have done first in order to earn eternal life as the result. This is also why Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying God’s commandments (Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28) and something the we inherit is not something that we earn.

 

[Dan Perez]

maybe all the people repented at the baptism of John or the disciples too. And she only had to correct her actions.
jesus had just saved her life. She know what would happen if she went back to fornication and adultery. They would have stoned her. But all you’re talking about we really don’t know because it’s not said. Just another discussion.

but I didn’t say that.

the commandments obedience is what to do to love God and neighbor, maybe not self. I can work it out for me! You can work it out for you, not everybody has to work it out themselves. All on the same page? Why or why not.

And every says that 613 Laws are what the Israel had to keep , 365 and 248 that kept Israel clean to worship Jehovah .

It is not a MAYBE as Israel had one word that kept them clean , is ATONEMENT >

And that is why Adam and Eve were saved in Gen 3:21 !!

dan p

 

[tdidymas]

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so there is a connection and the key is to correctly understand what that connection is and is not. So are we required to have first obeyed the Mosaic Law in order to earn our salvation as the result? No. Does the gift of Jesus saving us from being disobeyers of the Mosaic Law intrinsically require us to be obeyers of it? Yes.

While there are many verses like Romans 4:1-5 that speak against earning our salvation as the result of having first obeyed God’s law, there are also many verses like Hebrews 5:9 that support that our salvation requires us to be obeyers of it, so there must be a reason why our salvation requires us to be obeyers of it other than in order to earn our salvation as the result.

There is a difference between work done to earn something as the result and work that is intrinsically the content of a gift. For example, I could give the opportunity to experience of driving a Ferrari for an hour to someone as a gift, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work has nothing to do with trying to earn the opportunity to experience driving it as the result. Similarly, the content of God’s gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of the Mosaic Law is God’s instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23), so being an obeyer of it is intrinsically part of what the gift of eternal life is, not something that we need to have done first in order to earn eternal life as the result. This is also why Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying God’s commandments (Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28) and something the we inherit is not something that we earn.

You seem to be objecting to what I said earlier, but I don't see anything here that specifically disagrees with what I wrote. If you are objecting, please be specific as to what statement you are objecting to. Do you object to the idea that salvation is the free gift of God? By free gift, I'm saying it requires NO WORK from us to obtain it. I never said that there is no obedience to God that results from the free gift, but to be accepted by God requires faith only. Do you agree or disagree?