And I will raise him up at the last day?

[ViaCrucis]

The last day is the series of days counted as one week of one thousand years each.
There are seven millenniums for this present creation, and Jesus came in the beginning of the end of the week, at the end of the fourth millennium.

We are at the end of the 6th day.

Perhaps it's a thousand seven thousands. And we're living in the sixth seventh thousand of sevens.

In other words, I can make up things too.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Christophercbm]

The word 'rapture' is actually not a word that appears in the Bible. The last days are the days of Jesus' return, when it's all fulfilled and done.

There are some strong arguments against the pre-trib rapture, but this isnt one of them. The word "trinity" isnt in the Bible. The word "bible" isnt in the Bible. Even though the word "rapture" isnt in the english Bible, the event it represents, is in the Bible.

 

[Choose Wisely]

The last day is the day Christ returns.

Which time?

 

[IvinViljoen]

There are some strong arguments against the pre-trib rapture, but this isnt one of them. The word "trinity" isnt in the Bible. The word "bible" isnt in the Bible. Even though the word "rapture" isnt in the english Bible, the event it represents, is in the Bible.

Point taken. But the rapture is a false teaching from the 1830's ferociously preached since then and many other movements outside of Christianity, like 7th adv, Mormonism was born round the same time.

christianforums(com)blogs/u327866-e82893/

 

[Christophercbm]

Point taken. But the rapture is a false teaching from the 1830's ferociously preached since then and many other movements outside of Christianity, like 7th adv, Mormonism was born round the same time.

christianforums(com)blogs/u327866-e82893/

People believed in a pre-trib rapture before the 1830's

The Thomas Ice Collection

 

[IvinViljoen]

People believed in a pre-trib rapture before the 1830's

The Thomas Ice Collection

Thanks for the reference. I'll go have a read.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Perhaps it's a thousand seven thousands. And we're living in the sixth seventh thousand of sevens.

In other words, I can make up things too.

-CryptoLutheran

Instead of making things up, you should study to show yourself approved, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, as you are shaming yourself with making things up.

 

[ebedmelech]

Instead of making things up, you should study to show yourself approved, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, as you are shaming yourself with making things up.

I'm not sure what you assert here yeshuasavedme.

You're the one that appears to be making things up. There's nothing that makes the application you're making...

The last day is the series of days counted as one week of one thousand years each.
There are seven millenniums for this present creation, and Jesus came in the beginning of the end of the week, at the end of the fourth millennium.

We are at the end of the 6th day.

That is something you cannot prove. It is "theoretic theology" based on theory of "seven millenniums", in an attempt to apply age to the creation.

It probably ties itself to 2 Peter 3:8, 9...which is hardly giving us 1000 years for each day. Many go beyond what the passage is saying by calling each day of creation 1000 years.

It imposes something not implied. If Peter wanted to tell us "a thousand years IS a day", he would have said that.

Peter says "that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day."

It is a comparative phrase made to say what it doesn't. It's easily received by many because of the use of the number seven, and how God uses seven is the scriptures.

It's a theological theory though...nothing more.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Which time?

The Parousia of the Lord mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4 is the same Parousia mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15.

The Parousia is the Parousia. The Bible mentions only one Parousia.

If St. Paul had wanted to teach two parousial events, then he would have done so. But no where in any of his writings, or in the rest of the New Testament, is there anything to suggest there are two parousial events--just the one, the Parousia.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Instead of making things up, you should study to show yourself approved, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, as you are shaming yourself with making things up.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[stone]

Ok, I have been studying the pre-tribulation rapture lately and I have come across some good reasons to believe it (maybe). However, what does Jesus mean by the "last day" in the following verse's?

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

I know that there will be a resurrection at the rapture when the "dead in Christ" are raised, but if this occurs at the "last day", wouldn't that mean that the rapture occurs after the tribulation?

Ressurection yes, Rapture no.

 

[Maon]

Ok, I have been studying the pre-tribulation rapture lately and I have come across some good reasons to believe it (maybe). However, what does Jesus mean by the "last day" in the following verse's?

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

I know that there will be a resurrection at the rapture when the "dead in Christ" are raised, but if this occurs at the "last day", wouldn't that mean that the rapture occurs after the tribulation?[/quote

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Thessalonians: Apostasy and the Day of the Lord –by Maon

Paul comforted the Thessalonians with the hope of Christ’s coming and the saints meeting in the clouds (IThess. 4:13-18). He then continued,

“Now as to the times and the epochs (seasons), brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying ‘Peace and safety!’ then destruction will come upon them suddenly like birth pangs upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober” (cp. 5:1-6).

Paul gave no further instruction, in the first epistle, concerning times and seasons; but encouraged their watch for the day of the Lord-- and reminded them that the day would come as a thief, and they must stay alert and sober.

Later, false teachers entered the congregation and taught that the day of the Lord had already arrived. Paul then give instruction concerning times and seasons. He challenged the false teachers saying, “Let no one in any way deceive you for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction” (2Thess. 2:3).

In this, still keeping sober and alert, still looking for the day of the Lord, Paul taught that a departure/apostasy would occur first. But if apostasy is rapture, then why watch for the day of the Lord? Answer: apostasy is not rapture, and rapture does not come before the day of the Lord. On the day of the Lord,

“. . . the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord” (1Thess. 4:16-17).

Well, you that wish may watch for the early bus of apostasy. I prefer to join the watch for gathering on the day of the Lord.

 

[Christophercbm]

Here is an interesting thought...

If the Parable of the 10 virgins is not describing a pre-trib rapture, but instead, is describing our gathering back to Christ (second coming) at the end of the tribulation, then how are they able to "buy" oil without having the mark of the beast?

Matt 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Matt 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Matt 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Matt 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Matt 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Matt 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Matt 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Matt 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Matt 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Matt 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Matt 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Matt 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Matt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

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[zeke37]

Here is an interesting thought...

If the Parable of the 10 virgins is not describing a pre-trib rapture, but instead, is describing our gathering back to Christ (second coming) at the end of the tribulation, then how are they able to "buy" oil without having the mark of the beast?

that's because those 5 "Christians" were faithful up till a certain point
but then were deceived by the false Christ

they have the mark of the beast.
their"temple" is defiled.
they've been seduced
they are not virgins
they are harlots
they can't marry Christ

now, that does not mean God is completely done with them.
He will refine them in the Mill...that's what it's all about

 

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[zeke37]

the 6th seal is not His wrath.
it's the signs that precede His wrath

the 6th seal is the people of the world seeing those signs,
and knowing that it is the last day
which is the day of His Coming, the Resurrection of the Just, the rapture, and His wrath

they know it's the "THAT DAY" of scripture, and try to hide from it
because they were worshiping the false Christ, seduced/deceived/beguiled