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Oh no please don't move it again. I have never come up against so many logical fallacies for such a subject. Its almost like religion or morality that it provokes in people all sorts of illogical ideas lol.
I'm not in charge of moving things, nor am I making such a request to the mods.
That thread was mostly science with a little "oddness". So far you've already crammed in a whole bunch of it (portals, "ancient electricity", etc. You seem almost ready to cite pseudoacheologist Graham Hancock.
You linked to a pseudoscience article and you have been referring to "portals" as if they are real (and made of stone) instead of impossible violates of physics. To wit, your first post on the original thread mentioning them:
No its based on evidence and science and not personal imagination. Its a fact that a 20 foot wooden sled cannot move a 1800 ton block of granite for example. That's logistically impossible.
No thats all you, your projecting this into the thread. Its a common tactic to avoid the facts. Once again I did not mention ancient electricity but another poster who was themselves trying to create a logical fallacy about Dunn promoting pseudoscience with his Pyramid power plant idea.
Oooh I linked a article talking about the belief of ancient Inca about portals. The article doesn't say there are portals or is promoting any pseudoscience. They are stating the facts about what the Inca and other cultures like Egypt themselves believed and the commonalities many cultures have with similar ideas across the world at the same time.
Yes for this thread. But in the other thread it was also about the Flood myth and related to the stories ancient cultures created.
Yes I agree because otherwise the thread decends into all sorts of unverifiable ideas. The main reason I started this thread was because of this very reason. I want to find out the fact from fiction because I am interested in what exactly is going on with these ancient works.
Some say that the stone works in Peru at least which seem molded were interlocked that way because the area is within a seismic zone. This would make sense as it would withstand tremors better than modern building methods which seem to come apart when shaken.
I am not sure. Certainly I think the use of mega blocks and the calving of massive 1,000 plus to statues and even the pyramids are basically built for religious or belief purposes. They are certainly not built for practical purposes. They could have saved a lot of hassel using softer stones, cutting unform shapes and smaller sizes.
This is an interesting aspect I think. The megalithic cultures had not yet dicovered writing. They communicated in glyphs and the works they expressed. An interesting discovery is the high level of geometry and astrology incorporated in these ancient works. Also the common theme which is seen throughout all the cultures at that time around the world.
I think the ancient Isrealites expressed their beliefs just like all the cultures going right back. It seems there's this natural tendency to build to the gods.
The Pyramid power plant "idea" is nothing other than unalloyed pseudoscience. Dunn is promoting a crank idea.
It is pseudoscience. That the "backing evidence" given (somewhere, I don't recall, as I read it weeks ago) is that low-frequency electromagnetic waves are bent by the pyramid. Well no duh, Mr. Dunn. What'd you expect with large masses of differing dielectric coefficients? Here's another one for Mr. Dunn -- The Grand Canyon is a large gash in the rock layers of the Colorado Plateau, the Hoover Dam is a massive blob of concrete blocking the canyon and Lake Mead is a big pool of water held back by the dam. I'll bet that too bends electromagnetic waves given the different dielectric properties of air, water, rock, and concrete. But, further Mr. Dunn, that's not how the Hoover Dam generates electric power. It uses the technique that post-dates the rediscovery of the reading of the ancient Egyptian texts of coiled wires and rotating magnets driven by water turbines.
Right after the link you wrote:
You filled the last 200 posts of that thread with pseudoscience from multiple sources. For example, just a few posts later you have an item from a engineering professor claiming to do interpretation of ancient carvings *and* astronomy to make claims about a 10,000 year old burst of comet activity. A paper which was only published because the archeology journal editors didn't bother checking with any astronomers to see if it made sense. (It doesn't.)
In the very same post, immediately after the engineer's tale of comet carvings you have a different paper claiming that the carvings in the same structure are telling of a great flood story.
What "tech"? are we talking about stone cutting, carving, and polishing or something else?
A large fraction of which you introduce yourself.
And here I thought it was because no one else could just force the thread closed without violations....
As I said to the other poster you obviously have not read what Dunn has actually said but rather listened to misrepresentations. What Dunn is hypothesing about the pyramids having energy qualities has been widely studied and accepted as fact. This is all based on science, experiments and rigorous testing and backed by scientific data.
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I suggest you familiarise yourself with what he is actually proposing and the science behind it. Your also creating a false representation of Dunns position. He is not proposing some mystical power but the data from tests done on the pyramid and what that may represent.
You get sick of all these ad hominems attacking the person simply because they dare to mention something outside the mainstream consensus. The last thread ended up being one big logical fallacy.
So now your telling me what I am thinking. Another logical fallacy. This thread has just begun and already its sinking into a circus. No I was not saying that there was anything real such as actual physical bodies are teleporting. That would require evidence that we could not possibly get.
I can't remember you will have to show me the exact post. But if its got to do with the research into decoding the ancient glyphs at places like Gobekli and Karahan Tepe and the like and the possible astrological connection to the Younger Dryas or a comet around the time of the last ice age then that is not some whacky idea but a common finding based on fact in several of these ancient cultures.
Yes this is also based on the science and well accepted. Gobekli Tepe glyphs are not the only ones that are widely recognised as speaking about astrological events. This is common knowledge.
Theres a range of signatures in the stone that point to something beyond the tools in the records. What we see is in the signatures of the rocks is two different levels of tech. One that can be explained by the toolsthat comes later in the record and one that cannot that comes earlier.
No I havn't and your attempt to frame it as such has failed. But how ironic. You protest about how I am ignoring the content and evidence and engaging in fallacies while your ignoring the content and evidence by making fallacies.
The beauty is the thread won't close because there's some information in it that someone doesn't like. So all views are welcome so long as they are based on the evidence and facts.
"Energy qualities" what hand-wavy vaguery. A meaningless phrase.
In post #866 of the old thread you linked to some book by Dunn at gizapower . com which contains this bit of glorious pseudoscience woo woo:
Blobs of stuff with different dielectric properties will bend electromagnetic waves. That is basic physics. It doesn't mean the purpose of the Great Pyramid was to bend waves the builders knew nothing about. It does not support Dunn's techno-fantasy.Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid: First multipole resonances and energy concentration
Resonant response of the Great Pyramid interacting with external electromagnetic waves of the radio frequency range (the wavelength range is 200-600 m) is theoretically investigated. With the help of numerical simulations and multipole decomposition, it is found that spectra of the extinction...
Chambers in Egypt's Great Pyramid concentrate radio waves – Physics World
Computer simulations reveal electromagnetic properties of huge structure at Gizaphysicsworld.com
See above. mystical power is *exactly* what Dunn is proposing.
Guys like Dunn are such a target rich environment. I wouldn't be having any fun if I let their nonsense stand, now would I?
Nope. I am telling you what you wrote. If what you wrote gives such a poor impression of your actual thinking, you should really think about writing more clearly.
It was not.
There is no contact between the Inca, there ancestors, and any old world civilization for 10,000 plus years.
Speaking of woo woo...
As I said, it was 3-4 posts or so after the post I already linked.
First Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe are part of the same or closely related cultures in the same small geographic region. Second, astrology is bunk. Third comets have no connection to a glacial outflow flood event in the Arctic or anywhere else.
This is an engineering professor playing at both archeological interpretation and astronomy. The items in question are representations of animals carved onto a rock pillar. The "meaning" is by no means clear.Ancient stone carvings confirm date of devastating comet strike
Yes this is also based on the science and well accepted. Gobekli Tepe glyphs are not the only ones that are widely recognised as speaking about astrological events. This is common knowledge.
Irrelevant to anything discussed so far including the Pyramid Power claims.Did Ancient Egyptians Know Meteorites Came From Space?
Hieroglyphic texts suggest they understood the rocks, which contained valuable iron, did not originate on Earth
Did Ancient Egyptians Know Meteorites Came From Space?
Hieroglyphic texts suggest they understood the rocks, which contained valuable iron, did not originate on Earthwww.smithsonianmag.com
Also irrelevant.Halley's Comet Was Spotted By Ancient Greeks
Halley's Comet Was Spotted By Ancient Greeks
The ancient Greeks likely saw Halley's Comet streak past Earth in 466 B.C., pushing the earliest documented observation of the comet back by more than 200 years, a new study has found.www.space.com
Did I say anything about stone cutting? I didn' think so. Spam this in response to a different topic in this thread, not mine.
Its not hand wavy vaguary. If you are objecting to Dunns theory then you should know about it. How can you criticise someone without understanding what they are proposing.
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Ah isn't that funny. I was just addressing this above. As you can see Dunn's woo woo is supported by a large number of scientist now. It looks like Dunn was right all along and well ahead of others. He predicted that they would find electrodes in the shafts off the Queens chamber and hey presto they found electrodes in the shafts off the Queens chamber.
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Well now several scientists agree with Dunn. I would not underestimate the Egyptians skill. If they knew complex astrology and geometry and math such as the Sacred and Golden Ratio's, Phi and Pi then they knew about the structures of the universe and nature.
No he is not. He breaks down the process and its all based on reverse engineering and science.
All this is just logical fallacies avoiding dealing with the evidence.
This is silly. "what I wrote" Then show me my words, show me where I wrote what you claim. I guarentee 100% you will not be able to do so. Why, because I have not written such things. Its all in your own head and not mine.
Yes it was and stop trying to push your own beliefs onto me or into my posts. Here is the post before the Portal link. Post #828
What do you mean by 'no contact'. They are not physically in contact. But there is a relation between the Inca and these ancient. The Inca in their own stories about the past say they did not build the megaliths. They refer to Giants and other mythical events as being responsible.
No its not woo woo. These cultures engaged in transcedental mediation. Or are you now claiming there is no such thing as Transcedental meditation where the person can detach themselves from physical reality in their minds. This is a proven fact.
You brought it in when you claim that I was promoting Portals. I referred to the Portals being something in the mind and not actual physical. I used Monks engage in transcedental states as evidence for this.
Can't find your misrepresentations because they are exactly that. But the article you claim is psudoscience is another example of a widely accepted fact that has been found in the works at Gobekli Tepe.
In the same region that represents a larger complex and connected society.
Its astronomical interpretations in the form of glyphs. Refer back to the evidence for this I linked earler. They can interpret the glyths having astronomical significance for what was happening at that time such as the Younger Dryas and the orientation of the megaliths to star constellations like Leo and Orions Belt ect.
Well the evidence says otherwise.
www.scienceopen.com
If the meanings are "by no means clear" as you say then you can't rule out the fact that the interpretations may be correct. Being engineering professor doesn't disqualify you from using science. I am sure there were astronomers and Egyptologists on his team. Besides some of the work is about engineering with aligning the sites structure with astronomical constellations. The important thing is his findimgs are supported independently.
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Its exactly relevant. You just disputed that there s no evidence for ancient cultures like Gobekli Tepe's having astronomical knowledge. Ancient Egypt goes a long way back 7,000 years ago and even earlier. If they had this knowledge then maybe earlier cultures did as well and passed this on.
Yes you did when your gave the examples yourself. You said what sort of tech, cutting. You suggested it. Otherwise why did you mention this as opposed to 100 other things. You claim you have been reading my stuff and can read my mind. So you know exactly why you suggested saw cuts.
I think you should re read what you just said. Your using subjective imagination to refute the logic. I don't think imagination is a good basis to place the facts on.
I think your allergic to the word advance lol. Advance is anything we consider beyond what the culture did at the time. We have been modifying this for decades which shows we acknowledge that ancient people were more advanced than we thought.
The pics come much later and are not showing any work done to create these earlier precision works that look like they have been machined. The pics only show workers using small saws and there is never a pic showing the larger saws used in experiments like the PBS doco.
This post was ridiculously long, it took me about a dozen screens to scroll through it. That is unwieldy to respond too, especially given that once I create a reply I have to scroll through all of that to find the text in my post that you were responding to in your post. I'm going to try to respond to most of it, but in topical chunks. Please do not try to relink them together or go into stuff outside that particular topic.Its not hand wavy vaguary. If you are objecting to Dunns theory then you should know about it. How can you criticise someone without understand what they are proposing.
Basically Dunn's theory is that the great pyramid is like an enegy harvester. The north and south shafts work along with the queens chamber to collect microwaves which interact with hydrogen to create electron energy. The north shaft dimensions has been calculated to asct as a microwave guide while hydrogen is created in the queens chamber. The interaction creates energised hydrogen which is then harvested into the kings chamber.
Its a hypothesis at this stage and more research is needed. But so far Dunns predictions have been right. He predicted that the small supposed door with the two metal handles was some sort of connection to electrodes behind the wall that connected to a lower chamber. Though there was no electrodes behind the wall, electrodes were found in another shaft thats connects to the system.
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Study reveals the Great Pyramid of Giza can focus electromagnetic energy
Study reveals the Great Pyramid of Giza can focus electromagnetic energy
An international research group has applied methods of theoretical physics to investigate the electromagnetic response of the Great Pyramid to radio waves. Scientists predicted that under resonance conditions, the pyramid can concentrate electromagnetic energy in its internal chambers and under...phys.org
Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid: First multipole resonances and energy concentration
It is revealed that the Pyramid's chambers can collect and concentrate electromagnetic energy for the both surrounding conditions. In the case of the Pyramid on the substrate, at the shorter wavelengths, the electromagnetic energy accumulates in the chambers providing local spectral maxima for electric and magnetic fields. It is shown that basically the Pyramid scatters the electromagnetic waves and focuses them into the substrate region.
Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid: First multipole resonances and energy concentration
Resonant response of the Great Pyramid interacting with external electromagnetic waves of the radio frequency range (the wavelength range is 200-600 m) is theoretically investigated. With the help of numerical simulations and multipole decomposition, it is found that spectra of the extinction...
In the Great Pyramid, the copper (Cu) anode gives up electrons to the gold (Au) cathode having an electrical potential roughly three times higher (fig. 6) . Copper wire was historically reported to have been found on the floor of the salt-encrusted Queen's chamber upon breeching.
2021 Giza Pyramids Science and Engineering
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Ah isn't that funny. I was just addressing this above. As you can see Dunn's woo woo is supported by a large number of scientist now. It looks like Dunn was right all along and well ahead of others. He predicted that they would find electrodes in the shafts off the Queens chamber and hey presto they found electrodes in the shafts off the Queens chamber.
Here's some more of those Woo merchants
Electromagnetic Properties of Pyramids from Positions of Photonics
Electromagnetic Properties of Pyramids from Positions of Photonics - Russian Physics Journal
The choice of the operating wavelength of electromagnetic radiation is justified for a pyramid considered as an antenna. It is shown that due to the strong dispersion of the refractive index of the pyramid material, there will always be a part of the spectral range, in which the refractive index...
The Overall Science behind the Pyramid
Well now several scientists agree with Dunn. I would not underestimate the Egyptians skill. If they knew complex astrology and geometry and math such as the Sacred and Golden Ratio's, Phi and Pi then they knew about the structures of the universe and nature.
No he is not. He breaks down the process and its all based on reverse engineering and science.
All this is just logical fallacies avoiding dealing with the evidence.
This is silly. "what I wrote" Then show me my words, show me where I wrote what you claim. I guarentee 100% you will not be able to do so. Why, because I have not written such things. Its all in your own head and not mine.
Yes it was and stop trying to push your own beliefs onto me or into my posts. Here is the post before the Portal link. Post #828
Stevevw said
Because it happened at a time when humans developed enough to come up with such myths with such religious complexity as evidenced by the level of religion at places like Gobekli Tepe.
Ah so I was referring to those beliefs as myths and not fact. I then went on to example the Purvian belief myths to show how they were similar to GT. That thread was about belief myth with the Flood Myth. I was just showing how ancient cultures started the whole flood myth.
But this thread is not about myths which you seem to want to derail to. You didn't bother to find the conext. You just latched onto a word like 'Portal' and made that the be all and end all of what I was saying and then injected into this thread where its totally irelevant.
What do you mean by 'no contact'. They are not physically in contact. But there is a relation between the Inca and these ancient. The Inca in their own stories about the past say they did not build the megaliths. They refer to Giants and other mythical events as being responsible.
No its not woo woo. These cultures engaged in transcedental mediation. Or are you now claiming there is no such thing as Transcedental meditation where the person can detach themselves from physical reality in their minds. This is a proven fact.
You brought it in when you claim that I was promoting Portals. I referred to the Portals being something in the mind and not actual physical. I used Monks engage in transcedental states as evidence for this.
Can't find your misrepresentations because they are exactly that. But the article you claim is psudoscience is another example of a widely accepted fact that has been found in the works at Gobekli Tepe.
Representations of calendars and time at Göbekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe support an astronomical interpretation of their symbolism
New Possible Astronomic Alignments at the Megalithic Site of Göbekli Tepe, Turkey
New Possible Astronomic Alignments at the Megalithic Site of Göbekli Tepe, Turkey
Discover the ancient secrets of Gobekli Tepe, the oldest megalithic site. Uncover its astronomical alignments and cultural significance in this groundbreaking study.www.scirp.org
Ancient carvings may be world’s oldest calendar
Ancient carvings may be world’s oldest calendar
Markings on a stone pillar at a 12,000 year-old archaeological site in Turkey likely represent the world’s oldest solar calendar, created as a memorial to a devastating comet strike, experts suggest.www.ed.ac.uk
In the same region that represents a larger complex and connected society.
Its astronomical interpretations in the form of glyphs. Refer back to the evidence for this I linked earler. They can interpret the glyths having astronomical significance for what was happening at that time such as the Younger Dryas and the orientation of the megaliths to star constellations like Leo and Orions Belt ect.
Well the evidence says otherwise.
New study reveals comet airburst evidence from 12,800 years ago
New study reveals comet airburst evidence from 12,800 years ago
Researchers continue to expand the case for the Younger Dryas Impact hypothesis. The idea proposes that a fragmented comet smashed into the Earth's atmosphere 12,800 years ago, causing a widespread climatic shift that, among other things, led to the abrupt reversal of the Earth's warming trend...
Airbursts and Cratering Impacts
Airbursts and Cratering Impacts
<p>A peer-reviewed open-access journal covering all aspects of airbursts and impacts on Earth by comets and asteroids</p><p><strong>ISSN 2941-9085</strong></p>
Ancient carvings show comet hit Earth and triggered mini ice age
Ancient carvings show comet hit Earth and triggered mini ice age
Ancient symbols carved into stone at an archaeological site in Turkey tell the story of a devastating comet impact that triggered a mini ice age more than 13,000 years ago. Evidence from the carvings , made on a pillar known as the Vulture Stone, suggests that a swarm of comet fragments hit the...www.newscientist.com
If the meanings are "by no means clear" as you say then you can't rule out the fact that the interpretations may be correct. Being engineering professor doesn't disqualify you from using science. I am sure there were astronomers and Egyptologists on his team. Besides some of the work is about engineering with aligning the sites structure with astronomical constellations. The important thing is his findimgs are supported independently.
But if the meaning is by no means clear then that also means we cannot rule out that these ancient cultures had sophisticated astronomical knowledge. So therefore any absolute claims like 'there is no such thing' are no longer justified.
New Possible Astronomic Alignments at the Megalithic Site of Göbekli Tepe, Turkey
New Possible Astronomic Alignments at the Megalithic Site of Göbekli Tepe, Turkey
Discover the ancient secrets of Gobekli Tepe, the oldest megalithic site. Uncover its astronomical alignments and cultural significance in this groundbreaking study.
THE MESSAGE OF SOME ANCIENT ASTRONOMICAL SYMBOLS FROM THE OLDEST NEOLITHIC VINCA CIVILIZATION (MOSTONGA, TARTARIA, TURDAS AND PARTA)
The messages of these Neolithic artefacts are outstanding because they represent the first evidence that a Neolithic culture, namely the Old Danubian civilization knew about the “small shift” at the beginning of the seasons (the phenomenon of precession), more exactly, they found out that some constellations on the ecliptic line can be used to mark a given period (time).
The message of some ancient astronomical symbols from the oldest Neolithic Vinca civilization (Mostonga, Tartaria, Turdas, and Parta)
Man since prehistoric times has had a close connection with the sky and celestial events as an important part of his life (as in heaven, so on earth). Part of observations were some grouped bright stars in the night sky as references. They imagined the forms of the constellations according to...
How about this for some reasoning. We know that some global event like a comet happened around 13,000 years ago during the end of the last iceage and the Younger Dryas event.
We now have evidence that cultures like Gobekli Tepe were around at that time.
We also have evidence that they had some sort of astronomical knowledge and knew out the Procession and the Equinox.
We have evidence that these megaliths and structures are often aligned astronomically.
So putting all this together would not it follow and make sense that if these ancient people were viewing the clear and unpolutted skies back then and they were witnessing a comet travelling through the night skies they would of perhaps mentioned it in some way in their glyphs and works if they were already recording stuff about the night sky.
Its like a news outlet who focuses on disaster events and ignores mentioning 9/11.
Its exactly relevant. You just disputed that there s no evidence for ancient cultures like Gobekli Tepe's having astronomical knowledge. Ancient Egypt goes a long way back 7,000 years ago and even earlier. If they had this knowledge then maybe earlier cultures did as well and passed this on.
Yes you did when your gave the examples yourself. You said what sort of tech, cutting. You suggested it. Otherwise why did you mention this as opposed to 100 other things. You claim you have been reading my stuff and can read my mind. So you know exactly why you suggested saw cuts.
Its not spaming at all to a different topic. Its exactly related to the topic. To the tech and knowledge of ancient Egyptian culture. Its physical and observational evidence of the signatures left in the stones that is practical to investigate. Not like all the red herrings your trying to introduce. Thats exactly why I used one of your own suggestions because its an easy line of evidence to discuss.
Its telling that we just spent a whole lot of time dealing with your derailment of logical fallacies, bringing up stuff from a completely different thread and not actually addressing the actual evidence I posted. Very telling.
THE MESSAGE OF SOME ANCIENT ASTRONOMICAL SYMBOLS FROM THE OLDEST NEOLITHIC VINCA CIVILIZATION (MOSTONGA, TARTARIA, TURDAS AND PARTA)
The messages of these Neolithic artefacts are outstanding because they represent the first evidence that a Neolithic culture, namely the Old Danubian civilization knew about the “small shift” at the beginning of the seasons (the phenomenon of precession), more exactly, they found out that some constellations on the ecliptic line can be used to mark a given period (time).
The message of some ancient astronomical symbols from the oldest Neolithic Vinca civilization (Mostonga, Tartaria, Turdas, and Parta)
Man since prehistoric times has had a close connection with the sky and celestial events as an important part of his life (as in heaven, so on earth). Part of observations were some grouped bright stars in the night sky as references. They imagined the forms of the constellations according to...
I'm not quite sure what the research of engineering professors are, but none have any relevant experience to the attempted work.
If there are you should find them in the author lists of his papers. (This new one below is a single author paper, no astronomers or other relevant researchers on the team apparently.)
Measuring an ancienet site is surveying, while this is a skill civil engineering students learn as do archeologists. (Sweatman is a materials engineer. No surveying needed for that field.) The positions of stars is astronomy. No engineers needed for that even materials engineers.
Oh great. The Scottish engineer is playing historical astronomer and anthropologist again.
They found an alignment to a stellar event. So what. No evidence beyond speculation is given why the setting point of Deneb would matter to the builders of those structures. None. An importance based on an interpretation (Greek astrology) far closer to our time than theirs is utterly unconvincing. I'm sure if I tried hard enough I could find a "meaningful" astronomical event aligned to the not-quite N-S orientation of the ridge line of my roof. If their alignment had been to the setting or rising of the Sun on one of those special days (like a solistice or equinox) as is found at Stonehenge it would be plausible. Instead this is nothing more than academic noise.But if the meaning is by no means clear then that also means we cannot rule out that these ancient cultures had sophisticated astronomical knowledge. So therefore any absolute claims like 'there is no such thing' are no longer justified.
New Possible Astronomic Alignments at the Megalithic Site of Göbekli Tepe, Turkey
New Possible Astronomic Alignments at the Megalithic Site of Göbekli Tepe, Turkey
Discover the ancient secrets of Gobekli Tepe, the oldest megalithic site. Uncover its astronomical alignments and cultural significance in this groundbreaking study.
Not near Turkey.
And then posted these links.
Which make a claim that the Younger Dryas climate shift was cause by comet impacts and DO NOT make the claim that those comets triggered floods. Do you even parse what was written before posting 3 links?New study reveals comet airburst evidence from 12,800 years ago
Airbursts and Cratering ImpactsNew study reveals comet airburst evidence from 12,800 years ago
Researchers continue to expand the case for the Younger Dryas Impact hypothesis. The idea proposes that a fragmented comet smashed into the Earth's atmosphere 12,800 years ago, causing a widespread climatic shift that, among other things, led to the abrupt reversal of the Earth's warming trend...
Ancient carvings show comet hit Earth and triggered mini ice ageAirbursts and Cratering Impacts
<p>A peer-reviewed open-access journal covering all aspects of airbursts and impacts on Earth by comets and asteroids</p><p><strong>ISSN 2941-9085</strong></p>
Ancient carvings show comet hit Earth and triggered mini ice age
Ancient symbols carved into stone at an archaeological site in Turkey tell the story of a devastating comet impact that triggered a mini ice age more than 13,000 years ago. Evidence from the carvings , made on a pillar known as the Vulture Stone, suggests that a swarm of comet fragments hit the...
Because a people believed or had a myth does not make it true.
Do you think these inca stone "portals" do anything in reality? Do they provide some sort of physical, or mental connection to another place or not? If you do not think they have a transport/commuication function, then why mention them in the first place. It is not relevant what local people who did not build them thought they were for.
What I mean is that the ancestors of the Inca left NE Siberia 15-25 thousand years ago and had no contact after that with anyone from the "old world" (Africa/Eurasia) until the Spaniards accidentally ran into their continent 500 years ago.
Which "ancient"? The builders of the stone structures in Peru? I think that's what you mean. And if so, the answer is of course they had a relation as they were most likely their ancestors.
Stories are stories and they need not be true. It is clear if these stories are recorded accurately that the Inca were not familiar with the civilization that created the megaliths. That they invented non-existent giants as builders doesn't mean anything. It certainly has no relevance to *ANYTHING* in the old thread before you mentioned the "portals". Not the Missoula floods, not Gobekli Tepe and it's culture, not Egypt and its stone masonry. Nothing.
There such a practice as transcendental meditation, but it is a Hindu practice that has NOTHING to do with anything even with the broad range of topic spread in these threads.
It is *NOT* a proven fact that one can detach from the physical reality in their minds by TM or any other technique.
I really don't care what they stare at when they meditate, but those "portals" provide no connection, physical or mental to other places.
