Ancient tech and knowledge

[stevevw]

Only because you insisted on "sciencing" it.

Oh I get you. You were asking for nuts and bolts as in science, hard facts. The nuts and bolts of the matter. OK.

 

[stevevw]

Well, it is obvious that technology has made humans weaker and less intellectual, just look at what was completed in the past.

I am not sure what you mean.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes I always get them mixed up. Yes Baalbek which has the Trilithon with 3 mega blocks weighing 800 to 900 tons. With a couple more still in the ground weighing up to 1600 tons.

Which was built by the Romans, not the ancients

In the case of the pyramid its regarded as a megalith because of its overall size.

I thought your whole point was about moving very large individual stones. 1-2 tons does not qualify.

Though it does contain some 100 plus ton blocks inside.

We know.

The largest single block would have to either be the unfinished Obelisk which is around 1200 tons or theres a couple of statues at around a 1,000 tons or more.

Being unfinished may have been a clue that it was too big to move.

This is the Ramesseum Statue and like many of the works was found smashed like some catastrophy had hit them. But it was around 1,000 tons. You can see the humans for scale.

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The block that was used to carve this statue would have been 1500 tons and was transported from Luxor 170 miles away. The face has the same geometric precision as the smaller versions. You can see the fine details of ribs, knee and shin bones and all polished in detail out of rose granite.

Provide a wikipedia link, because everything I can find under "Ramesseum" doesn't look like this and is much smaller.

Later statues had nowhere near as much size or detail. Strange that such precision and fine work would come from the earliest kingdoms and even predyanstic Egyptains.

Actually I have not ignore it. Don't assume my not believing the orthodox view is ignoring the orthodox view. The experiements and explanations go nowhere near explaining what we find.

My main problem is that you are lumping in all of the 'big rocks" and asking for a comprehensive explanation for all of them. There is no reason to think the same methods were used, and the methods seem to have been invented for specific situations independently.

Maybe its others ignoring the obvious that the tools found in the records are completely inadequate for explaing what we find.

Did I mention they found electrodes in the northern shaft of the Queens chamber in the Giza pyramid. Just saying. If you want to use what has been found in the archeological records than what about electrodes. What would they be used for.

Electrodes? SMH.

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Symmetry is not an argument.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I am not sure what you mean.

It's kind of how math became harder for kids after the invention of the calculator. Now backtrack through all the technologies that made things "easier" for us.

 

[stevevw]

Which was built by the Romans, not the ancients

Actually evidence is showing it is pre Roman. Often later cultures find these megaliths and then use them, built on top of them. You can see the difference in stonework between the Romans and the trilithon and not just the size.

https://www.selectstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/STONEZINE-12.pdf

The construction of the Trilithon and other megaliths predates Roman involvement, suggesting that earlier civilizations played a crucial role in laying the foundation of Baalbek.

Forgotten Stones of Baalbek, Lebanon: The Mysteries Behind Ancient Megaliths

Discover the history and engineering marvels of the Forgotten Stones of Baalbek in Lebanon. Explore the mysteries, myths, and cultural significance of these ancient megaliths.

www.bioscience.com.pk

I thought your whole point was about moving very large individual stones. 1-2 tons does not qualify.

You assumed wrong. I have not just mentioned meg blocks relating to ancient tech and knowledge but also mega works which include the entire structures for that time like the giant pyramids and temples and, precision works like smaller statues, boxes and vases.

We know.

Actually the black granite boxes under the Serapeum of Saqqara are a 100 tones each.

Being unfinished may have been a clue that it was too big to move.

Yet they moved as big blocks on many occassions. Like I said some of the blocks for the large statues are up to 1500 tons and moved 170 miles from the quarry.

Provide a wikipedia link, because everything I can find under "Ramesseum" doesn't look like this and is much smaller.

Ok

Ramesseum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wiki even has the same pic of the broken up statue. Its not the smaller upright statues but the one broken next to these (The fallen Ozymandias Colossus) which was around 1,000 ton but 1500 ton before cut and transported 170 miles. .

Here is a foot from a statue at Tanis and a hand from an even bigger statue at karnak. Both 1,000 plus tons and the granite was transported 100's of miles from the quarries. These statues were standing and would have been around 100 feet tall. Similar to the statue of Liberty. But made of the hardest stone granite and finished to an amazing detail compared to later statues.

If you notice the standing statue in the background the foot is as big as the entire platform it is standing on. So this was a massive statue. The strange thing is like other sites these ancient works were found in ruins, all smashed up and spread all over the place like some disaster hit them.

My main problem is that you are lumping in all of the 'big rocks" and asking for a comprehensive explanation for all of them. There is no reason to think the same methods were used, and the methods seem to have been invented for specific situations independently.

Actually I am pointing out different aspects of ancient tech and knowledge and asking for evidence for each individually. The mega blocks is about logistics. Though the question of how they were cut or shaped is related to cutting and finishing which is a seperate aspect. But I am focusing on logistics for these megablocks and statues ect.

I have gone through precision seperately and this is another aspect of tech and knowledge related to how the toold in the records are completely inadequate to produce those results. How later dynasties could not replicate these early works and their level was inferior. Which seems back the front. Nevertheless such precision for an early time.

But I am happy to gothrough each aspect in detail.

Electrodes? SMH.

Yeah the possible electrodes they found in the shaft of the queens chamber. Very strange.

Symmetry is not an argument.

It is for ancient knowledge and tech in how primitive people could create perfect symmetry with simple tools like copper chisels and stone hammers.

The later Egyptians did not seem to be able to match this and its only found in the earliest dynasties of the old Kingdom and even predynasties.

 

[stevevw]

It's kind of how math became harder for kids after the invention of the calculator. Now backtrack through all the technologies that made things "easier" for us.

Yeah I get you now. Yes this is true. Look at how we use to dismiss Indigenous knowledge as superstition only to now realise they had some insight and knowledge about how nature worked. Now we are using this to help the environment.

We don't have to use our brains as much. I think we have also become weaker. We don't have to get out there in the wild and work things out.

I wonder why there was so much geometry and astronomy in the ancient world. There was definitely something going on with alignments and certain shapes in nature.

Maybe not in the technical way we understand nature but more a hands on approach. Working with nature. Perhaps tapping into some aspect of nature that allowed them to understand precision and reflect it in the works they produced.

Like I said tests have found higher electromagnets energy around some of these sites. Maybe their location was something to do with this. Why would they go to all the trouble of aligning things to certain dimensions to the stars and planets and geometry such as true north and certain latitudes.

Was this just about beliefs and the gods. Or was there more to it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Actually evidence is showing it is pre Roman. Often later cultures find these megaliths and then use them, built on top of them. You can see the difference in stonework between the Romans and the trilithon and not just the size.

https://www.selectstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/STONEZINE-12.pdf

The construction of the Trilithon and other megaliths predates Roman involvement, suggesting that earlier civilizations played a crucial role in laying the foundation of Baalbek.

Forgotten Stones of Baalbek, Lebanon: The Mysteries Behind Ancient Megaliths

Discover the history and engineering marvels of the Forgotten Stones of Baalbek in Lebanon. Explore the mysteries, myths, and cultural significance of these ancient megaliths.

www.bioscience.com.pk

That one gave "explanations" as "ancient aliens" "lost tech" and "lost civilizations". It's just an other psuedoarcheology site, not new scholarship.

You assumed wrong. I have not just mentioned meg blocks relating to ancient tech and knowledge but also mega works which include the entire structures for that time like the giant pyramids and temples and, precision works like smaller statues, boxes and vases.

Assumed wrong about what? That there were large blocks in the pyramids?

Actually the black granite boxes under the Serapeum of Saqqara are a 100 tones each.
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Yet they moved as big blocks on many occassions. Like I said some of the blocks for the large statues are up to 1500 tons and moved 170 miles from the quarry.

Ok

Ramesseum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wiki even has the same pic of the broken up statue. Its not the smaller upright statues but the one broken next to these (The fallen Ozymandias Colossus) which was around 1,000 ton but 1500 ton before cut and transported 170 miles. .

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That's what I thought it was, but I saw nothing in the article indicating that the statue was known to be a single piece.

Here is a foot from a statue at Tanis and a hand from an even bigger statue at karnak. Both 1,000 plus tons and the granite was transported 100's of miles from the quarries. These statues were standing and would have been around 100 feet tall. Similar to the statue of Liberty. But made of the hardest stone granite and finished to an amazing detail compared to later statues.

If you notice the standing statue in the background the foot is as big as the entire platform it is standing on. So this was a massive statue. The strange thing is like other sites these ancient works were found in ruins, all smashed up and spread all over the place like some disaster hit them.

Disasters happen. Did you know that that sea on the edge of Egypt is a rift valley?

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Actually I am pointing out different aspects of ancient tech and knowledge and asking for evidence for each individually. The mega blocks is about logistics. Though the question of how they were cut or shaped is related to cutting and finishing which is a seperate aspect. But I am focusing on logistics for these megablocks and statues ect.

What are we to do with this evidence? Surrender to the Atlanean theory?

I have gone through precision seperately and this is another aspect of tech and knowledge related to how the toold in the records are completely inadequate to produce those results. How later dynasties could not replicate these early works and their level was inferior. Which seems back the front. Nevertheless such precision for an early time.

But I am happy to gothrough each aspect in detail.

Please don't/

Yeah the possible electrodes they found in the shaft of the queens chamber. Very strange.

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It is for ancient knowledge and tech in how primitive people could create perfect symmetry with simple tools like copper chisels and stone hammers.

The later Egyptians did not seem to be able to match this and its only found in the earliest dynasties of the old Kingdom and even predynasties.

Sigh.

 

[stevevw]

That one gave "explanations" as "ancient aliens" "lost tech" and "lost civilizations". It's just an other psuedoarcheology site, not new scholarship.

Ah he spots the word alien and its a trigger to reject all else. The evidence and view that the trilithon stones predate the Romans his a widely supported view from mainstream archeology.

You seem to fix on the ancient aliens which caused you to either overlook or reject the good science behind the first link. Which is why I put it first. This is from archeologists and stonemasons. Here is what they had to say

The differential weathering pattern noted above strongly suggests that the maxiliths have been exposed there far longer than the smaller, adjacent blocks that are indisputably of Roman origin.

The giant blocks still in the quarry prove that whoever built this had in mind a much larger project—the scale, finish and design of which bear no resemblance to anything remotely Roman.

Also the missing mega blocks from the rest of the foundations. Like the small number of megablocks that were present only covered part of the foundation. You would think tif the Romans built the foundation that the entire foundation had the same sized blocks. Especially if used as the foundation as the side where there are no megablocks carried a much heavier load.

Heres what the Ai overview says and this is based on all results showing that the most common view is that the trilithon predates the Romans. Part of the evidence comes from archeology showing the remains of an ancient temple built earlier and the Romans used its foundations. The trilithon stones are completely different style and masonary and show signs of erosion over a much longer time that the Romans.

Ai overview
Evidence suggesting the Trilithon stones at Baalbek predate the Romans includes: the distinct construction style of the Trilithon compared to the rest of the Roman temple complex, visible signs of heavy weathering on the Trilithon stones compared to the smoother Roman masonry, and archaeological findings indicating earlier building phases beneath the Roman temple podium where the Trilithon sits;

Assumed wrong about what? That there were large blocks in the pyramids?

No that my entire argument was just about moving mega blocks. I mentioned the pyramid as a megalith due to its size overall as part of the tech ancient of ancient megalithic cultures.

That's what I thought it was, but I saw nothing in the article indicating that the statue was known to be a single piece.

Ah you can go and find all the pieces and see how it was made as one piece. If it was made in section it would have had cut lines through it and stacked like the Roman sandstone pillars.

Thats another difference. The Egyptian pillars were made of granite in one piece and massive. Whereas the Romans could not copy this so they reverted to sandstone and making it in sections.

Disasters happen. Did you know that that sea on the edge of Egypt is a rift valley?

I don't know what happened. Maybe an earthquake. But the strange thing is that the same thing has happened to many of these ancient sites across the world. They all have a similar story that they found the megaliths usually broken and scattered and they attributed them from the gods.

They tried to repair them and/or build over them using parts as foundations or incorporating the old with the new. Similar to the trilithon which the Romans found and built upon. You can usually recognise the two different building styles and types of stone with the megalith stones always at the foundations. .

This is in Peru where ancient megalithic stones were built upon by the Inca's who came later. See the two different styles.

What are we to do with this evidence? Surrender to the Atlanean theory?

Why the Atlanean theory? Why not just go through the evidence step by step and see what it presents. Its not about any theory except revealing the facts on the ground.

It may be that ancient cultures were more advanced than we give credit for. The historic story is being changed all the time. We only thought humans came about 50,000 years ago and now we are up to 300,000 years. We have found humans were burying their loved ones with some sort of ritual 100,000 years ago.

Its not surprising that we find more advancement in recent cultures.

Please don't/

Sigh.

OK. I can't anyway because they the authorities seem to have shut this all down since the discovery. This is what usually happens when they find contrary evidence that undermines the orthodox narrative.

There are a number of ancient Egyptian sites shut down or reburried. In fact one site the great pit of Zawyet el-Aryan. In fact archeologist think its the foundation of another pyramid. There are many underground temples just lying in ruin. Some being damaged by water erosion from the water table rising and leaking into the temples.

Its now used as a rubbish tip for the army.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I don't know what happened. Maybe an earthquake. But the strange thing is that the same thing has happened to many of these ancient sites across the world. They all have a similar story that they found the megaliths usually broken and scattered and they attributed them from the gods.

It's called the:

Red Sea Rift - Wikipedia

with a continuation to the:

Dead Sea Transform - Wikipedia

Lots of earthquakes, not so many of the other things.

 

[stevevw]

It's called the:

Red Sea Rift - Wikipedia

with a continuation to the:

Dead Sea Transform - Wikipedia

Lots of earthquakes, not so many of the other things.

That makes sense. But these earthquakes would have happened at least 5,000 years ago if not earlier. Because many of the culture like Egytians and Incas have stories that mention finding these megaliths and precision works and then repairing them and building around them as center pieces of honor to the gods.

Perhaps this aligned with the great floods that also covered much of the Turky, middle east, parts of Europe and north America. Giant ripples found across the landscape. The mass of water disturbing the tectonic plates and all sorts of chaos happening which may hve wiped out many people and animals.

Then these later cultures come along and find these works as though theee previous culture disappeared. To be remembered as something from the gods. The stories also coincide with flood stories.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That makes sense. But these earthquakes would have happened at least 5,000 years ago if not earlier. Because many of the culture like Egytians and Incas have stories that mention finding these megaliths and precision works and then repairing them and building around them as center pieces of honor to the gods.

Given that Egyptian material culture and Egyptian writing are more overlapping than Inca, let's stick to the Egyptians.

Provide a text where Egyptians tell stories of ancient megatliths that they did not build.

Perhaps this aligned with the great floods that also covered much of the Turky, middle east, parts of Europe and north America. Giant ripples found across the landscape. The mass of water disturbing the tectonic plates and all sorts of chaos happening which may hve wiped out many people and animals.

(perhaps = speculation) Where are these massive floods? Where are these "giant ripples"? The only floods I know of are the ones in the Pacific Northwest, and we know what caused them and it does't have anything to do with ancient civilization.

Then these later cultures come along and find these works as though theee previous culture disappeared. To be remembered as something from the gods. The stories also coincide with flood stories.

Pointless speculation. Demonstrate the first items first.