i agree , i also wonder what the rules are about how the dead accept the lds church and how the church no the dead have accepted..
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Ancient Baptism For the Dead?
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i agree , i also wonder what the rules are about how the dead accept the lds church and how the church no the dead have accepted..
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Then, there is also the very ticklish problem about exaltation of these individuals into the higher levels of the Celestial Kingdom. If they can be saved after death, exaltation also should be a genuine possibility for them, but exaltation requires marriage sealed in a Mormon temple. For most dead folks that would mean that they would not be present at their own wedding in the Mormon temple physically and might end up hitched to someone they would prefer not to marry, much less having an etermal marital relationship with.
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LDS believe that the dead have the opportunity to accept or reject the ordinances performed on their behalf. They don't know if they have (though there are individual stories of someone appearing to someone, or hearing a voice, confirming the acceptance of the ordinance).
They offer all of the ordinances performed for the living for the dead as well. When I was LDS I participated in proxy baptisms, confirmations (both as a proxy and administering these two ordinances to others), priesthood ordination, Initiatory (washing, anointing, clothing/authorization to wear the garment, new name), Endowments, and sealings. Some of my LDS friends told me how people (generally in Utah and other areas with tons of LDS) would go on dates to the temple, even to do proxy sealings. I always thought those were awkward. Like, we would try not to look into each others' eyes while we were getting eternally married on behalf of others. I did like being in the sealing rooms though, and thought doing the sealing of children to their parents was nice.
...but then, it was all false, however nice it was.
They offer all of the ordinances performed for the living for the dead as well. When I was LDS I participated in proxy baptisms, confirmations (both as a proxy and administering these two ordinances to others), priesthood ordination, Initiatory (washing, anointing, clothing/authorization to wear the garment, new name), Endowments, and sealings. Some of my LDS friends told me how people (generally in Utah and other areas with tons of LDS) would go on dates to the temple, even to do proxy sealings. I always thought those were awkward. Like, we would try not to look into each others' eyes while we were getting eternally married on behalf of others. I did like being in the sealing rooms though, and thought doing the sealing of children to their parents was nice.
...but then, it was all false, however nice it was.
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LDS believe that the dead have the opportunity to accept or reject the ordinances performed on their behalf. They don't know if they have (though there are individual stories of someone appearing to someone, or hearing a voice, confirming the acceptance of the ordinance).
They offer all of the ordinances performed for the living for the dead as well. When I was LDS I participated in proxy baptisms, confirmations (both as a proxy and administering these two ordinances to others), priesthood ordination, Initiatory (washing, anointing, clothing/authorization to wear the garment, new name), Endowments, and sealings. Some of my LDS friends told me how people (generally in Utah and other areas with tons of LDS) would go on dates to the temple, even to do proxy sealings. I always thought those were awkward. Like, we would try not to look into each others' eyes while we were getting eternally married on behalf of others. I did like being in the sealing rooms though, and thought doing the sealing of children to their parents was nice.
...but then, it was all false, however nice it was.
Thanks for confirming that. Do you know how they determine who should be married to whom in a proxy wedding when there is a vast number of unmarried dead people from which to choose? And how do they know that the deceased actually decided to join the Mormon church following their proxy baptism?
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Most of the vicarious sealing ceremonies are done to seal known families, such as one's grandparents.
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And this is restored Christianity?
It's "cleaning up for the mess created by the 1000+ years of theological hootenanny that took place due to people going off on their own in lieu of having any actual theological authority or guidance."
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Most. This is just a hunch, but I would bet that most American men of renown have been sealed vicariously. George Washington was probably one of the first. But the ragamuffin no names? Bah! Who needs 'em?
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But what about all the sects and *ahem* cults that have popped up in the last 2000 years claiming they were the true church? Mormonism is nothing special there.
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Marriages are performed for those who were married during their mortal lives. For instance, a proxy marriage was performed for my Great-Grandparents.
So, is it impossible for an individual who was not married while alive on this earth to gain the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom?
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I would imagine that in most such instances, it involved them being sealed to their known spouses.
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If their failure to marry was due to no fault of their own (such as, say, a person who died before they were old enough to marry or they were in a situation to where they could support a spouse), then it won't be an issue.
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So does Baptising for the dead help them gain the highest order?I mean since neither Saint Paul or Jesus were Mormon and not married maybe they gain the highest order by being Baptized again after they died.:o
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I seem to recall that Paul was either divorced or a widower, and so that's a moot point.
As far as Jesus goes, that's been a rather significant debate that cuts across denomination.
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I mean since neither Saint Paul or Jesus were Mormon and not married maybe they gain the highest order by being Baptized again after they died.:o
You're reading a wee bit too much into things.
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