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An open debate to Atheists on a creator.

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I don't think I ever said anything about it being random.

Non-random functional complexity, is not an indicator of artificial design either.
Really because you have some key words in there. Can you give an example.
 
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We are all still waiting for your website. Shouldn't it be online by now?

I am need something good to laugh at so please don't disappoint us!

Yeah actually the website is ready for the most part but I have decided not to give it out to atheists at the moment because then it will be me vs. 50 of you and I won't have time for other things. Let me get some people on there that know there is a God. Then we can invite you. But honestly the site wasn't even made for atheists. That was not its purpose so I made a mistake ever referencing it in the first place.
 
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Oh dear. If the only things that had happened were those we have full explanations for, the world would be a very strange place indeed!

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said" - William F Buckley Jr
Hey I'm just going on what I originally told you and your response. You can not get natural selection unless you have something to select from.
 
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Looking around, I think it's safe to say that life exists and that we can study it.
Evolution theory is about understanding the processes that existing life is subject to.
I thought it was about figuring out how life got here?
 
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Oh. Wow. No. I think you may have some really major, major revisions to your arguments coming in the near future. The Cambrian was around 500 million years ago. Earth has had billions of years to develop life before the Cambrian.
Not really. There are no predecessors to the Cambrian explosion and the explosion was 6 million years. As one scientist put it "its as if we don't have survival of the fittest but rather the arrival of the fittest".
The earth did not have billions of years it had 3.5 and evolution by the standard theory takes a lot longer then you think based on population genetic mathematics.
 
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I thought it was about figuring out how life got here?
No, it's about how life diversified after it got here. How life originally began is a separate field of study called abiogenesis.
 
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If you're so worried about atheism, why don't you go after it directly, instead of attacking the theory of evolution? The theory of evolution says nothing about whether there is a God or not, and many Christians and other theists have no problem with it.
 
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All arguments should be able to stand on their own merits. We are waiting for you to demonstrate.
 
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Ok this quote of mine is taken out of context. You have to go back and find it and bring it back. I tried but I can't find it and don't have the time. But if your going to quote me just please do it in context. I was referring to what someone else was saying where they were tying abiogenesis to evolution. And I was pointing out that ... well that wouldn't work.

By the way after having looked back at my previous posts I have to apologize to everyone. There was some posts that were bad lol ... arrogant. Not cool
 
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Actually I have looked more intently at the research done in the last ten years in particular the russion volcanic dating that put the explosion pretty precisely at 6 million years. And there are no good qualifying predecessors to the Cambrian phyla. Mostly sponges. There is the long fuse hypothesis but nothing to back it.
 
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Was the highlighted meant to add a touch of comedy or just a further example of what @tas8831 was driving at?
Not sure I try to be quick with my responses because of time. And once again I will apopligize if I get out of hand. Its something I need to work on ... certainly not perfect and I don't know everything.

But then no one does. And those that believe in God do not have to be afraid of science because it is on their side.
 
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You are right - there are definitely more than 100 pages of paraphrased already-refuted YEC propaganda.
Actually there are probably hundreds of books. Its the history whether we like it or not.
 
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This sort of data led biochemist W. Ford Doolittle to explain that “Molecular phylogenists will have failed to find the ‘true tree,’ not because their methods are inadequate or because they have chosen the wrong genes, but because the history of life cannot properly be represented as a tree.”[103] New Scientist put it this way: “For a long time the holy grail was to build a tree of life … But today the project lies in tatters, torn to pieces by an onslaught of negative evidence.”[104]

Many evolutionists sometimes reply that these problems arise only when studying microorganisms like bacteria—organisms which can swap genes through a process called “horizontal gene transfer,” thereby muddying the signal of evolutionary relationships. But this objection isn’t quite true, since the tree of life is challenged even among higher organisms where such gene-swapping is not prevalent. Carl Woese, a pioneer of evolutionary molecular systematics, explains:

Phylogenetic incongruities can be seen everywhere in the universal tree, from its root to the major branchings within and among the various taxa to the makeup of the primary groupings themselves.[105]

Likewise, the New Scientist article notes that “research suggests that the evolution of animals and plants isn't exactly tree-like either.”[106] The article explains what happened when microbiologist Michael Syvanen tried to create a tree showing evolutionary relationships using 2000 genes from a diverse group of animals:

He failed. The problem was that different genes told contradictory evolutionary stories. … the genes were sending mixed signals. … Roughly 50 per cent of its genes have one evolutionary history and 50 per cent another.[107]

The data were so difficult to resolve into a tree that Syvanen lamented, “We’ve just annihilated the tree of life.”[108] Many other papers in the technical literature recognize similar problems.
 
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I would believe a "believer" over an atheist though any day. And so do most people. Most people including atheists do not trust atheists. Odd isn't it?
 
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Believe me I am working on the problem. But it is a multi-faceted problem. And many Christians don't know the science. Many atheists don't know the science. There are many conflicts.
 
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No, it's about how life diversified after it got here. How life originally began is a separate field of study called abiogenesis.
Ok you got me on that quote. I meant how life formed along the way.
 
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Believe me I am working on the problem. But it is a multi-faceted problem. And many Christians don't know the science. Many atheists don't know the science. There are many conflicts.
And many Christians do understand the science and realize that there is no conflict between the theory of evolution and belief in God. Many atheists know it as well, and by equating the ToE with atheism you just make faith in God sound stupid to them anc eliminate any hope of conversion.
 
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