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An open debate to Atheists on a creator.

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But we can not find any genetic evidence that backs up evolution in fact the genetic evidence points all over the place.
That's odd. I can find abundant genetic evidence for evolution. Is it possible that some of us know more about genetics than you do? Here is a small part of what I think is genetic evidence. Why isn't it? Let's see if you can do better than all of the other creationists.
 
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Having too many issues and some personal stuff so had to take of. I'm not rushing for anyone. In fact there is no time line as it will be done when it is done. And not before.
Of course.

I'm not the one who said that he'd have it done "later this afternoon" by wednesday...
 
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I make mistakes and am not afraid of them. Not afraid of the truth either. That's why I left atheism. It is not the truth. And science does not back it. You can find a fault or an error, spelling, punctuation and then cry "see we won". But the truth doesn't really work that way.

Feel free to demonstrate (with something other than personal opinion), this truth you speak of.
 
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...We have no working theories for how life could overcome the odds. We can't account for the information.
Yes, we have, and yes we can. Evolution by natural selection.

Its impossible.
Whover told you that doesn't understand it.

Also there is something about the Russel Teapot argument. You are suggesting something ridiculous that happened and then comparing that to something we know happened.
No, that's not Russell's Teapot; it's about switching the burden of proof. I told you why and even gave you a link to an explanation - I suggest you read it.
 
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Yes, the difference can be huge - that's why those kinds of changes take hundreds of millions, or billions, of years of accumulation of small changes.

You don't have billions of years you don't have hundreds of millions of years you only have 6 million years to get the 20 different phyla in the Cambrian explosion. 6 million years would not get you a single protein.
 
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Yes, we have, and yes we can. Evolution by natural selection.
I think it would be difficult to get natural selection when you have nothing to select from . If I remember right I said we have no theories for how life begin without life you have nothing to select from.
 
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I have been involved with many a debate especially latley on the science of the creation of life as we know it. I hear these ideas that the science is settled ... that evolution is a fact or that there is science prooving no God and so on. This is not true.

Science is not on the side of Atheism and that is why I turned away from it. I can not do theology or bible debates as I am not a Christian buy I can do science because the science is easy. It leads ti God.
Science proves God? Which god might I ask.
 
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That's not really how things work in practice though since it's not possible to truly know if there are only two possibilities for something. Plus, there is always the default position which is "we don't know".

And in fact, in science given a particular hypothesis for "this is how something happened", the null hypothesis will be "it didn't happen that way". This is why all the efforts to disprove evolution doesn't validate ID/creationism. ID/creationism must be validated on its own merits.
 
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That's odd. I can find abundant genetic evidence for evolution. Is it possible that some of us know more about genetics than you do? Here is a small part of what I think is genetic evidence. Why isn't it? Let's see if you can do better than all of the other creationists.
okay let's talk about one gene the gulu gene
 
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okay let's talk about one gene the gulu gene
Well, we could talk about the GULO gene, but how about instead we talk about the genetic evidence I pointed you to? It's evidence you say doesn't exist. I say it does.
 
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well I don't follow a religion but my money would be on Christian because of the Legacy
How did you determine such a thing? You must have some theory then, a methodology, a sure fire way to identify God and how it is the Christian God.
You said that the Christian legacy is the way you identified God? You'll have to explain that to me.
 
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Well, we could talk about the GULO gene, but how about instead we talk about the genetic evidence I pointed you to? It's evidence you say doesn't exist. I say it does.
actually I loaded it into my reading que the moment I read your post and I will probably read it tonight
 
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How did you determine such a thing? You must have some theory then, a methodology, a sure fire way to identify God and how it is the Christian God.
You said that the Christian legacy is the way you identified God? You'll have to explain that to me.
I never said that their legacy is how I identify God. What I said was that my money would be on them because of their legacy. So let's talk about their legacy for a second their contributions to literature to science architecture art the US Constitution and then let's talk about wherever you will find the most down trotted human the one that no one cares about there you will find a Christian giving of their Blood Sweat and Tears. For example the city of joy in India or how about the founding of the modern orphanages hospitals clinics and universities what about the YMCA the Red Cross Alcoholics Anonymous the children's Relief Fund many children's organizations and that brings us to another point. The most awesome thing about Christianity are the Christians they are an amazing spectacle of decency in an indecent world.

As for me I am not on the level where I have picked a religion.
 
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I never said that their legacy is how I identify God. What I said was that my money would be on them because of their legacy. So let's talk about their legacy for a second their contributions to literature to science architecture art the US Constitution and then let's talk about wherever you will find the most down trotted human the one that no one cares about there you will find a Christian giving of their Blood Sweat and Tears. For example the city of joy in India or how about the founding of the modern orphanages hospitals clinics and universities what about the YMCA the Red Cross Alcoholics Anonymous the children's Relief Fund many children's organizations and that brings us to another point. The most awesome thing about Christianity are the Christians they are an amazing spectacle of decency in an indecent world.

As for me I am not on the level where I have picked a religion.
Oh I get you. So your pointing out that their actions throughout history are driven by God? That their charity goes well and beyond the normal human? Anyway, for what reason can't you become a Christian? As much as I know about Jesus, no one's up to scratch, Jesus makes you up to scratch, like you can't be something first so he'll accept you. It's come one come all, no matter what your like. I'm sure the Christians here have mentioned that.
 
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I never said that their legacy is how I identify God. What I said was that my money would be on them because of their legacy. So let's talk about their legacy for a second their contributions to literature to science architecture art the US Constitution and then let's talk about wherever you will find the most down trotted human the one that no one cares about there you will find a Christian giving of their Blood Sweat and Tears. For example the city of joy in India or how about the founding of the modern orphanages hospitals clinics and universities what about the YMCA the Red Cross Alcoholics Anonymous the children's Relief Fund many children's organizations and that brings us to another point. The most awesome thing about Christianity are the Christians they are an amazing spectacle of decency in an indecent world.

As for me I am not on the level where I have picked a religion.

It's always amusing when believers only pick the supposed good results of their religion yet they conveniently ignore the harm it causes.
There will always be good people doing good things and bad people doing evil things, but if you want a good person to do something evil, that takes religion.
 
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A hurricane does not show the type of predefined information that has a purpose that we find in the information of DNA. Saying that a bunch of random phone numbers is complex is not the same as saying that hundreds of thousands of lines of code designed to build multiple factories is complex. Very different. Do you think a factory is random?

I don't think I ever said anything about it being random.

Non-random functional complexity, is not an indicator of artificial design either.
 
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You don't have billions of years you don't have hundreds of millions of years you only have 6 million years to get the 20 different phyla in the Cambrian explosion. 6 million years would not get you a single protein.
Once a basic bilateral body plan is in place, 6 million years is long enough to produce a huge number of variations in a time of unusually favourable environmental conditions, and the development of the first vision producing a predator/prey evolutionary 'arms race'. However, the 'Cambrian explosion' lasted around 20-25 million years, followed by 70 to 80 million years of accelerating diversification, so your timescale is 'rather misleading', to be charitable.

When ecosystems are relatively stable, evolution is relatively slow; when they are establishing themselves, it's fast.

It's not so much a question of producing new proteins as it is mutations to developmental regulatory genes. As fruit fly genetics has demonstrated, a single mutation can produce an extra pair of legs, or replace eyes with legs, etc.
 
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