An open debate to Atheists on a creator.

[tas8831]

Well there are all those atheist evolutionary biologist scientists that are having a serious problem with TOE.

Such as?

 

[tas8831]

Nobody in evolution says that complexity just arose by chance. Hence, if that's your summary of the book, then the book is useless as it is not addressing the theory of evolution but something completely different that nobody claims to be true.

There are three principles of nessisity that have allways been apart of TOE.
1. Random Selection.
2. Survival of the fittest.
3. TIME

You are not serious, are you?

"Random selection"?

I thought you said you knew all about science?

 

[tas8831]

What if I named 500?

https://evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t/

Cool - a list that contains lawyers, a forest ranger, a guy that thinks water has memory, and bunch of creationists.

At best, the only actual 'atheist' on there is Salthe, who is just mad that the entire scientific community did not drop 150 years of amassed scientific knowledge in favor of his groundless hypotheses.

How about a list of more than that who totally support evolution - and just those whose first name is Steve?

 

[tas8831]

Spelling, it seems, is also hard.

Not trying to nitpick or be mean, but I am betting, having not read this thread yet, that your grasp of science is on par with your grasp of spelling.

Gotten through the third page and.. yup...

 

[tas8831]

Well then lets talk about the DNA information processing system. We must have a dozen macromolecules that would each need to over come the combinatorial problems and then coordinate. So lets go with 70 times 12 or 1 in 10 to the 840th power.

Let us see you actual math on this - to include your variables, how you chose them, how you came up with the numbers you used for them, etc.

Or you could just cite the creationist essay you are paraphrasing to save us all some time?

 

[FormerAtheist]

One more time, and indeed just this one more.

Please provide me with the proof you claim to have.


It's quite easy. What you have done until now is shown informations that cast doubt on the existing scientific explanations. That is in itself valid, regardless of the validity of these claims.

And now do the positive thing and provide evidence that your hypothesis is the correct one. Not by exclusion, but by positive evidence.

I will give you the "proof" you ask for as I have to work on very soon.

Ready for 100 page data dump?
But not on this site ... I wont do that to there servers or any thing else in order to show you a pages of data dump will take this off site.

To my site where am I am building a platform to fight you.

I am all in.

I will spend thousands if I have to. I will gather the best and brightest and we will fight.

Its what we must do.

 

[Skreeper]

To my site where am I am building a platform to fight you.

I am all in.

I will spend thousands if I have to. I will gather the best and brightest and we will fight.

Its what we must do.

You seem very keen on going back to the dark ages. That's the period where christianity was at it's peek after all.

Fortunately for humanity you are on the side of the fence that is losing.

 

[Speedwell]

I will give you the "proof" you ask for as I have to work on very soon.

Ready for 100 page data dump?
But not on this site ... I wont do that to there servers or any thing else in order to show you a pages of data dump will take this off site.

To my site where am I am building a platform to fight you.

I am all in.

I will spend thousands if I have to. I will gather the best and brightest and we will fight.

Its what we must do.

It seems a shame that you are wasting all that time and energy attacking a scientific theory which does not deny the existence of God.

 

[FormerAtheist]

One more time, and indeed just this one more.

Please provide me with the proof you claim to have.


It's quite easy. What you have done until now is shown informations that cast doubt on the existing scientific explanations. That is in itself valid, regardless of the validity of these claims.

And now do the positive thing and provide evidence that your hypothesis is the correct one. Not by exclusion, but by positive evidence.

sadly I just got off the phone with my main guy in forming part of my website and he told me we probably wont be ready till this afternoon. I was wrong to say a few hours I will not show you until we are ready. And that is out of my control. I am not happy about this but I must do work myself for the next several hours. I don't like some of these replies on this thread going unanswered but I have listened to him and know what I have to do.

So I have stay off this forum for several hours and do the work.

Even when I give you the link know this ... .......... we will never be done. This is a life long work at this point unless you can prove to me your case which seems spectacularly doubtful given your fruits.

The fruits of Atheism is despair. It shows me why I must fight it.
And then there is the overwhelming problem it will always have science.

But it is the fruits of it that intrigue me and force me to fight and give all that I can in the fight.

This is my fight ... no matter what I will fight it. Unless you can prove me wrong,.

 

[AirPo]

So was this all just a plug for your website?

 

[AirPo]

dp

 

[Skreeper]

So was this all just a plug for your website?

Because that is what the world needs...Another creationist/ID website riddled with bad arguments.

 

[Nithavela]

I will give you the "proof" you ask for as I have to work on very soon.

Ready for 100 page data dump?
But not on this site ... I wont do that to there servers or any thing else in order to show you a pages of data dump will take this off site.

To my site where am I am building a platform to fight you.

I am all in.

I will spend thousands if I have to. I will gather the best and brightest and we will fight.

Its what we must do.

 

[sfs]

You seem very keen on going back to the dark ages. That's the period where christianity was at it's peek after all.

Um, no. The Dark Ages, to the extent they existed, were pretty much the low point of Christianity by any measure.

 

[sfs]

Ready for 100 page data dump?

No. But a single scientifically literate argument would be a refreshing change.

 

[Skreeper]

Um, no. The Dark Ages, to the extent they existed, were pretty much the low point of Christianity by any measure.

Alright, alright you are correct. I retract my statement.

 

[sfs]

Alright, alright you are correct. I retract my statement.

I'm pretty sure that violates some kind of site rule here.

 

[tas8831]

This is a life long work at this point

Wait - I thought you were an atheist at one point? Setting up a creationist website and calling it a "life long work" seems to negate that claim, no?

Sure hope your webmaster uses spell check/grammar check. Then again, I hope he/she doesn't.

unless you can prove to me your case which seems spectacularly doubtful given your fruits.

1. When do you plan to prove YOUR case? Why the burden shifting?

2. Want to review YOUR fruits? On this forum alone there are serial plagiarists, people that embellish their credentials/intelligence to try to bolster their creationist claims, creationists that misrepresent and distort published work, etc.

Glass houses and all that 'fruit'...

 

[tas8831]

Ready for 100 page data dump?

Cool - 100 pages of paraphrased already-refuted YEC propaganda!

 

[Nithavela]

Cool - 100 pages of paraphrased already-refuted YEC propaganda!

We call that PRATT around these parts.

It's shorter.