An Interesting View on Paganism

[Havoc]

Again, I believe Jesus's words over yours, Havoc. Again, you will find out when you die. Trying to convince me of your beliefs will not get you into heaven.

If you don't want to know my beliefs why do you keep asking? I don't much care whether you accept my belifs or not, but I consider it wrong to not answer questions honestly.

Please feel free to accept the words written in your book, and attributed without evidence to your God, over mine.

 

[Carico]

The words I'm quoting from "my" book will get you into heaven. There is also much, much evidence that they are true. There is no evidence that your beliefs are true. I also like to answer questions honestly.

 

[Smilin]

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i get so sick of the arrogance of those of you who treat us like some sort of lost sheep. we just choose not to follow your flock. it wont get us where we want to go.

uhhhh ohhh...

baaaaahhhhhh ddd. Sheep!

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Follower of sheep, please!
God was my copilot, until we crashed into a mountain...

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

What you write is arrogance. I do not listen to someone who thinks there is no higher power than himself. A man like that is not coming from the truth.

oh lookie here. again, proof you must either not know how to read, or choose not to do it. I have said *repeatedly* that I believe in a god.

 

[Havoc]

The words I'm quoting from "my" book will get you into heaven.

Yes we understand that you belive that. Many here believe differently.

There is also much, much evidence that they are true.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride.

There is no evidence that your beliefs are true.

Quite true, unless you count speculation, herarsay, and human religious experience as evidence. In that case I have just as much evidence as you. But those things are not evidence are they?

You see unlike you we don't have to make ridiculous claims of absolute truth we cannot support. We don't have to call speculation evidence. Unlike you we understand what the words "truth" and "proof" mean, and the word "belief" does not frighten us.

Our faith is strong enough that we can call it what it is, a belief. We don't have to pretend we can prove it.

I also like to answer questions honestly.

Please feel free to start anytime.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

Do you KNOW your higher power intimately? Do you have knowledge that he/she exists, or is it just a hope? How has he/she shown you he/she exists?

for the umpteenth time, yes yes and by guiding me and doing what i ask. it is really simple. when i have trouble with anything i ask to be shown the way to go, and i get an answer. i dont have some bearded guy with a halo physically speak to me and tell me what to do. that would be nice though. but instead, the choice i need to make literally falls into my lap every time. this is a hard question to answer, i made it as simple as i could....quite frankly i have no desire to speak with you about something as private as that after your behavior in other posts. if you would like to apologize for certain things, and truly honestly learn how others can believe what they do, then maybe we can go further. but if not, why ask? i feel like you will continue to mock my beliefs and dont have faith in your desire to really want to know what it is like for us. i really don't mind if an atheist wants to think i am a nut for my beliefs. doesn't bother me, they obviously haven't experienced what i experience, i would think im nuts too....but someone like you who supposedly has, it's strange...

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

Again, I believe Jesus's words over yours, Havoc. Again, you will find out when you die. Trying to convince me of your beliefs will not get you into heaven.

oh my god.. you ASKED WHAT WE BELIEVED AND HE ANSWERED. now you say this? HE WASN'T CONVINCING YOU HE WAS ANSWERING YOU i think you are being difficult intentionally. that is the only rational explanation for your behavior.

 

[Smilin]

i dont have some bearded guy with a halo physically speak to me and tell me what to do. that would be nice though.

Not really... that guy won't keep bugging me...
constantly demanding this and that....

 

[Havoc]

oh my god.. you ASKED WHAT WE BELIEVED AND HE ANSWERED. now you say this? HE WASN'T CONVINCING YOU HE WAS ANSWERING YOU i think you are being difficult intentionally. that is the only rational explanation for your behavior.

Whoa, ease up there STS. Don't let the Fundies get to you.

He has to be like that, his beliefs won't allow any other sort of behaviour. If he were to admit, even for a moment, that you could possibly have a relationship with a diety that was not his God, his whole religion would come crumbling down around his ears. His arrogance and twisting of words, and foolish claims of absolute truth probably stem more from insecurity in his own beliefs than from actual faith. People who are secure in their faith don't have to act like that. You should pity him rather than get mad at him. He does far more damage to his God's religion than a thousand Pagans could ever do.

Once you see him for what he is you'll find it much harder to get angry over his meaningless religious rhetoric.

 

[Smilin]

thousand Pagans could ever dnce you see him for what he is you'll find it much harder to get angry over his meaningless religious rhetoric.

Which leads to a question...
How can 'pagans' possibly damage any other religion?

 

[dlamberth]

The words I'm quoting from "my" book will get you into heaven.

For me, it’s much more important to make my Beloved a reality in this life time where He is needed the most than is the importance of my getting into Heaven or not. When it’s time, my Beloved will bless me as He sees fit. But it’s not time for that yet. Right now, it’s time to have my Beloved a reality in my life.

There is no evidence that your beliefs are true.

Because my Beloved IS the very foundation of Creation itself, for the evidence of my beliefs, I need to look no further than at the wonderfully creative life around me.

On another note: I have grown to love Carico. She has provided a lot of fodder for me to look at and examine. As I have watched, contributed and did my own back ground reading and work, I’m more convinced than ever that when I grow up that the spiritual path that she has chosen will not work for me.


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[Havoc]

On another note: I have grown to love Carico. She has provided a lot of fodder for me to look at and examine. As I have watched, contributed and did my own back ground reading and work, I’m more convinced than ever that when I grow up that the spiritual path that she has chosen will not work for me.


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She does do a lot of work on our behalf. I've had several messages from people asking why she acts the way she does and would I describe my beliefs more fully for them. Without her I probably would not have been able to share my faith with those people.

Thanx for the help Carico. Keep up the good work.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

Whoa, ease up there STS. Don't let the Fundies get to you.

He has to be like that, his beliefs won't allow any other sort of behaviour. If he were to admit, even for a moment, that you could possibly have a relationship with a diety that was not his God, his whole religion would come crumbling down around his ears. His arrogance and twisting of words, and foolish claims of absolute truth probably stem more from insecurity in his own beliefs than from actual faith. People who are secure in their faith don't have to act like that. You should pity him rather than get mad at him. He does far more damage to his God's religion than a thousand Pagans could ever do.

Once you see him for what he is you'll find it much harder to get angry over his meaningless religious rhetoric.

lol dont worry, i was just capitalising for effectiveness, since most things we write she doesn't seem to read. im fine. promise. envisioning the white light surrounding my aura and penetrating my heart right now




ahhhh thats better.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

Which leads to a question...
How can 'pagans' possibly damage any other religion?

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by reminding the others that there are people out there that don't believe the same.

 

[Smilin]

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by reminding the others that there are people out there that don't believe the same.

and how does this damage anything? Truth cannot
surely be damaged...can it?

 

[Rae]

How can 'pagans' possibly damage any other religion?
--Well, some people make a religion out of things. Take the Bible. I'd say some Christians worship it. So if I take a Bible and burn it, I'm damaging the "Bible is God" religion by destroying their religion = Bible.

Of course, I wouldn't do that. There's much better kindling out there.

 

[Smilin]

How can 'pagans' possibly damage any other religion?
--Well, some people make a religion out of things. Take the Bible. I'd say some Christians worship it. So if I take a Bible and burn it, I'm damaging the "Bible is God" religion by destroying their religion = Bible.

Of course, I wouldn't do that. There's much better kindling out there.

Ahh, yes, well if someone worshipped a 'physical thing' and
Pagans destroyed that 'thing'..then yes I can agree with you..

However, to destroy the Bible? Since the Bible was
virtually non-existant for many centuries while Christianity
endured... I doubt burning a bible would damage their religion.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

and how does this damage anything? Truth cannot
surely be damaged...can it?

you wouldn't think so would ya. but something tragic must occur for us to arouse such emotions. do some christians actually think we do damage to their religion? i thought we were just being playful.

 

[Smilin]

you wouldn't think so would ya. but something tragic must occur for us to arouse such emotions.

That truth may be 'something else'...thus we must
be silenced?

do some christians actually think we do damage to their religion? i thought we were just being playful.

and of course, that's how the 'you people have orgies'
in your religion rumor mill gets started..isn't it?

 

[Boanerge]

Wow Carico, your some kind of crazy warrior on the lose. Destroying quicker than i Can mend. Sorry carico, you seem to be on your own...

SqueezeTheShaman:
my leap of faith didn't come with the lovely gift yours did. there was still emptiness

Yea it usually happens. Clearly your not alone. I have been a christian all my life. but only a year ago i actually got serious. Because of people like Carico, no offense Carico.

Even with the infamous "absolute truth God" in the Christian Bible, one can still find emptiness. Why is this? I learned that all i have been doing in my life is follow what "others" say. And Well im the Thinker. I dont like to follow. I dont like to simply accept. I'm more of a "Doubting Thomas".

So I decide to check up on all these interesting religions. Many made me smile, Many made me Laugh, many made me upset, but they all opened my eyes.

But i never strayed too far from the Christian Faith. I don't know why exactly, i assume its because this is the faith i grew up in.

As i learned more and more about these large religions, most i didnt even know existed, many of them i have been misinformed, but in the process i was feeling alone.

All of a sudden every christian i knew didnt seem like a christian. I even got to the point where, everything was pointless. What exactly do christians believe? Cuz ever since i went out on my own, i learned new things that no one ever taught me about Christianity. There were even a few times when EVERY thing made sense. But one thing never left me, and it still hasnt: Christianity has been distorted horribly. But i leanred that ALL religions have their twisted followers. But it hurt me to see that Christians have the Worse of them all. Why?

I began to study and learn about Wicca, the first, and then i went to the many sects of Christendom. I havent gone too much into Hinduism, but im still young. I felt like i ventured off into the dark woods, there were times when i felt like i was being sucked into nothingness, where i felt worthless. But i still love my Lord. I dont know why, no matter how horrible i saw this world, even myself, i could never cursed my God. I seemed like the more i learned about the Darkness the more i learned about the Light. this is how i see it. If you ever felt like you knew you werent a christian, then i felt it the hardest cuz i was a christian feeling like im not one of them. It was a hard thing to understand. its like being a member of a family that you didnt feel you belonged in. I decided to go to the roots of Christianity. and well it was NOTHING like modern christianity. as a matter of fact, it almost seems like Christianity doesnt represent Christ Jesus, even though they mention him with every breath.

Honestly i do not know what purpose the Lord has with my life. But the more i learn about God and Life in general i get rejected. I have been titled by my fellow brothers as a False Teacher. NOW i know EXACTLY how Jesus felt. History is simply repeating itself.

I really dont know what to do anymore. I wait until i find someone on my level. Cuz i cant do this alone. No one wants to listen to me. I dont speak about non believers, i mean my very own Christians dont want to listen. they are COMFY with the Chrisitianity of today that they do not realize they have gradually shifted away from what Jesus came to do. at the same time, non believers seem them and ask "IS THIS what i want to follow?". Honestly people like me get affected by this. Our spirit griefs, because in the mist of all this aweful looking Christianity, there is a treasure that is not easy to aquire. And those who NEED it cant get to it. BEcause those who HAVE IT use it to HURT those who DONT HAVE IT.

I really dont see how a Christian can say a non believer is going to hell. I mean come on they dont even believe! how can they go to hell? God didnt say "Go out into the WORLD and condemn your fellow brothers and sisters" God said "Go out into the world and gather my sheep, they have strayed and i want them Back."

But no, instead of us christians HELPING our poor neighbors who wonder aimlessly in this dark world, we instead PUSH them over the EDGE! an EDGE that they dont even know exist!

So Squeeze the Shaman, it should be clear by now that i am not here to curse you, for you are close to the kingdom, but not close enough. I am simply here doing something that seems pointless. But has to be done. Christians have cursed the blind so much that they themselves became blind. They are no different than the Jews of Jesus time.

STS, the surface is nothing because it is the inside that counts. right now christianity seems dark, but inside theres something for all of us. if only we are able to see it. if only those who are already close, can let those who are far from it, know about it.

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

the greatest enemies of the Gospel are the Followers themselves. the ones closer that the non-believers.

I THOUGHT christians have changed. it turns out i am wrong. we havent changed, we are still pushing the blind over the edge. instead of leading them to the one who heals.

In chat rooms in posts everywhere. Christians don't even know how to make sense of the bible anymore. When the bible is about Spiritual moral values than a literal history book. Where Death is all about death to evil deeds and corruption. death to the pain in our hearts. Not about how God is so cruel to us. But we are wild children, who dont know diclipline. and that is why Our Father chastens. If you follow some other religion, then it is because God found it suitable for you to know about this religion, but sometimes its time to grow out of your shell. Because has human beings we deserve more. and has times get DARKER, we need more than this semi-good semi painful world. where everything seems right, then pointless in one breath. Some of you are ready to grow, while others still need to stay where they are until they understand. I want to grow, i want to go, i want to get EVEN closer to my God. I am not here for the Believers. im here for the non believers who are not close enough.

STS i dont blame you for not understanding the bible. i blame those who do understand it. i blame them for not helping.

Yes, beliefs are like shells, i have been fortunate to grow up in a huge shell, but even that wasnt huge enough. now i grew passed it, i realized that modern christianity hinders our growth. we need to go back to Jesus, his shell was limitless. If you're tired of this, and know there has to be more, then this is all it takes to find it.

I'm telling you its not easy.. It was hard for me to see how my own religion, yes even my own understanding, was not at all what God intended. And he knew this. He knew that when he blesses us, we will absue of his gifts. But he blessed us anyway. And i want to Thank Him, by following Him correctly.

I am not going to blame the devil for decieving me. because i know thats all he can do. I blame myself for believing him, and assuming Christianity is as pointless as believing in aliens. As pointless as Trigonometry. as meaningless as seening those who hate me, suffer.

But then i opened my eyes and said "wait a second, there is more, pass those thick branches and thorns, there is more i know there is."

And i cut through, proved myself wrong, found out that most christians are wrong. Learned that good christians do exist. I got bruised a bit. but it was worth it.

I came out of this old shell, old frame of mind. My church is a daughter of the Catholic Church. so the RCC has greatly influenced our minds. Some have finally broken out. Now i feel like a rebel. and it feels good. The truth is coming out. liberation is coming back. no time is better than now.

Ill be back soon God bless you.

I write too much dont i? lol.. its happens when your free. ;-)