An Interesting View on Paganism

Carico said:

All Christians have already been where you are at, Boanerge. We at one time did not believe in the existence of God. So not only are we capable of changing our minds, but we have found something better. You have only been on one side of the fence as a non-believer, and I don't know if you are capable of changing your mind. I'd say that your mind is the closed one.

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are you bored in attacking non christians and now feel the urge to even bash one of your own?

i have been under the impression you only speak and not listen to what any of us write, this is more evidence of that.

PLEASE dont get me wrong guys,. i so badly wanted to reply to EACH AND EVERY one of your posts, but the Spirit of God guided me to another way. Squeezetheshaman i assume you are not Christian. and when i speak to you, i speak to EVERYONE who assumes that The Bible is far from the truth.

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By the way, CArico was using "you" in general, she did not call me "closed minded" she means if you are a non-believer you are only on one side of the fence.
it then would mean that a non-believer is closed minded.

The first step is being a non-believer, we all were, i once was, CArico once was. But we took the leap of faith, and decided to believe.

Now our lives have never been the same. The Battle in life is now harder, but now we have someone stronger.

I do not know Carico, and this is my first week on this website. now let me continue.
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Squeeze the shaman, exactly... im not hear to tell you what you "already know". Being that you have a "prejudice to a God" that doesnt even exist in the christian bible. For if you did know Our God you wouldnt reject Him the way you do.

If i seem close minded its because my decision is finally made. I have no doubts about my God

I used to be in that area, where the christian God seemed far from reality, where He seems like he doesn't care for Humanity, where he seems like Hes up there poking Fun at at us.

But me, drowned in this opression, feeling like this is the God i have been raised to believe, i thought there was no way around it. The Church seemed to portray this sadistic and disgusting God as the one true God. And i was part of this Church... so called "followers of Christ" when we dont even follow Christ's foot steps at all.

Until i opened my eyes. Shaman the God you Think we believe in is not the TRUE God. You have met the True God. But you accepted what others say about Him that you ignored his voice and applied some other voice as God's voice.

There is only One God. We are all made from this One God. This is why we feel like theres a higher source out there. BEcause we are a part of Him, we are made in His Image.

Do you know where he dwells? in the mist of darkness, shining like a light. ready to conquer darkness.

This flesh is that darkness, our heart is that light. and This light is going to ressurect us, IF we lean more to the light than to darkness. Or else, being stuck to the flehs, you get destroyed along with it. DArkness can not overcome the light.

Your heart detests the "christian" God. Your heart is correct, it detests because it sees the distorted version of God that so called christians kill in the name of.

But simply because you hate how so called Christians portray God, Does not mean that God does not exist. He does, we just need to head back to the roots. to where it all began.

Squeeze the Shaman, or others, if you are mad at God, you are mad at the wrong God. God is not someone to be mad at.. God is the one that told you "this so called Christian God is not me."

What do i mean? I agree, the way The Christian God is portayed is way off. God is closer than you think. the Life of Jesus is that key.

If jesus Got to know God so much that he became equal to God (but not above God). Than we too can be equal to Christ Jesus. This is the True Christian Way.

God is Love.

Without a clear understanding of who God is, how do you expect to understand Him or his Word?

The Bible is the Foundation on which we can understand God, not Just God but everything around us. The Bible possesses much power, and SADLY, it can be misused. Dont reject it because of this misuse.

There so much, i dont even know where to start. actually i do, On a serious note, if your going to criticize the Christian God, make sure you know Him first.

He is not what "they" say he is. He is not a heartless killer.

But if Death is what bothers you, then you fear nothing. For Death is Nothing.

We are made of Energy, this Energy is Life. it is what makes us exist, and it can not be destroyed. But we CAN be seperated from this Energy, and that is how our souls can be destroyed.

physical Death is incapable of seperating us from Life, only our rejection of Life is what seperates us.

God is Life/Energy/Love.You may not understand now, but you soon will, thats IF you choose to understand and want to get to know the Real God. Follow your Heart for it will draw you to Him. (Just Look to Jesus...)

there is more to say but typing it, i can not fully express the Truth of God. its going to take time..

dont just listen to me, im just like you!!!! listen within. for it is within where the kingdom of God dwells.

and the spirit of truth will ask politely to repent from these false meanings of who God is. and God is more than willing to prepare you for a New and stronger walk with Him.

ITS NOT GOING TO BE EASY!

for DArkness HATES the Light.

But lets CHOOSE TO BE ON THE WINNING SIDE!

Light. Life. Engery. The Proper use of ENERGY. LOVE.

This conquers darkness, void, emptyness, ignorance, arrogance.

ITS IS NOT ONLY FOR ME! it is for all of US.

CHRISTIAN OR NOT CHRISTIAN, GET TO KNOW THE REAL GOD.

HE's coming soon to conquer DArkness! ;-)

It's simply NOT a game anymore.

Carico said:

Your post, dlamberth, is a classic example of taking things out of context. You didn't quote the rest of my post which stated how desperate Pagan's beliefs that the bible is wrong are. No wonder you don't understand the bible! You pick and choose what you want to see and distort them to serve your purposes. You are incapable of understanding God's word.

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Carico, where's your sense of humor? I was just having fun with your editing error.

On to my being "incapable" of understanding God's word. Regardless of all you say, I and so many others, who are not Christian, are blessed in that we DO live within the presence of God. God is every bit alive with in us as our Belived is alive in Christians. As much as you claim that "no", that's not possible it IS possible and is in fact happening.


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Boanerge said:

Squeezetheshaman i assume you are not Christian. and when i speak to you, i speak to EVERYONE who assumes that The Bible is far from the truth.

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i dont think it is really really far from the truth. it just isn't 100% accurate, especially if you read it literally.

By the way, CArico was using "you" in general, she did not call me "closed minded" she means if you are a non-believer you are only on one side of the fence.
it then would mean that a non-believer is closed minded.

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NO NO NO NO NO. for the 135,633rd time....many of us embraced christianity fully, opened ourselves up, and got zilch. we are not all close minded. just because we didn't get the lightning strike you felt does not mean we are close minded. these statements are irritating to no end, they don't stop. i have encountered this same thought pattern repeatedly from the same people over and over. i dont understand the inability to comprehend this simple fact.

But we took the leap of faith, and decided to believe.

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my leap of faith didn't come with the lovely gift yours did. there was still emptiness.

Now our lives have never been the same. The Battle in life is now harder, but now we have someone stronger.

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good for you, it is nice isn't it? i love knowing no matter what happens, as bad as my life may seem to be, it turns around and everything falls into place just right. what is your point? are you trying to sell others on your faith? we have something that works for us, why do you insist yours is better?

Squeeze the shaman, exactly... im not hear to tell you what you "already know". Being that you have a "prejudice to a God" that doesnt even exist in the christian bible.

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huh??? i think the behavior of the christian god, in the bible is not indicative of an all loving force. my apologies to you if you have justified the behavior, i can not.

For if you did know Our God you wouldnt reject Him the way you do.

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and if you knew mine you would leave yours.
this is so pointless.

If i seem close minded its because my decision is finally made. I have no doubts about my God

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ditto. now you know how i feel

ill address the rest later.

Carico said:

You are incapable of understanding God's word.

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Interesting statement!!

The Holy Words of my Beloved that I understand and follow were directly written by the very hand of God, AT the time of Creation.

The text that you follow were passed through and written by the flawed hands of mere human being, a generation or two after Christ's death.

I ask myself: Self, do I look for understand from what my Beloved wrote directly by his very own hands? Or should I look for understanding of God's Word through text that has passed through flawed human fingers?

The answer is pretty clear to me. Go directly to what my Beloved wrote by His very own fingers. That's why I do not take the Bible as the word of God.

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Well if you're sure your beloved will get you to heaven, go for it. I respectfully disagree.

Carico said:

Well if you're sure your beloved will get you to heaven, go for it. I respectfully disagree.

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What's much more important to me than earning my place in heaven is in making my Beloved as much of a reality as I can, right now in this life time, where He is absolutely needed the most.

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Carico said:

Well if you're sure your beloved will get you to heaven, go for it. I respectfully disagree.

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Well you havn't been very respectful but...

He has just as good reasons as you for what he believes.

I have just as good reasons as you for what I believe.

There's no real reason that I can see why either of us would trade our beliefs for yours.

What's being respectful, agreeing with you? I have seen no love from you on this forum. Only hatred for God and for the people who are trying to show you His love. I have told you where to find it and how to find it. All I have gotten back are insults. You may have your reasons, but one of us is right and one of us is wrong. You will find out when you die which one of us is wrong. Since your soul doesn't seem to matter to you, Havoc, it no longer matters to me. I'm no longer responding to your insults. You can stay stuck in your anger and disbelief for eternity as far as I'm concerned.

Carico--i think that you have gotten to caught up in this debate to see strait. and i think you have stopped treating havoc (especially) and the others as the Lord would have you treat them. please dont feel like i am attacking you, i just want to hold you accountable to Chrstian truths. because when you treat them like they are the scum of the earth and worthy of your condemnation, you shame me, because i also bear the name of Christ.

i hope that when i pose this question it is not something that all of you "pagens" (sorry for the crappy classification. its just so hard to talk about it with out a handle) have reiterated about a zillion times. but what i am wondering is why "God" (and in this sense i mean yours (which includes mine right?)) would have us worship him in so many ways? does he/she/it benefit from this in some way? or desire it?

I think its because of the way we are brought up. Well in one society its alrioght to eat dogs while another its totally wrong. We are brought up differently with different influences so we would respond differently. What apeals to one person my repel another. So god being omnipresent and omnipotent shows its self to everyone in a way that we understand and comprehend. That way god can spread its love in a way that we all can understand. All roots to religions (accept the crazy ones like the alien ones etc........) the ones that show love and all those beautiful things are the same, people just comprehend it differently because we are different and god created us that way.

The Bible is the Foundation on which we can understand God, not Just God but everything around us.

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No, it isn't.

God is Life/Energy/Love.You may not understand now, but you soon will, thats IF you choose to understand and want to get to know the Real God.

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STS knows the real God. I know the real God. Havoc knows the real God. Nice insult. Sorry. It doesn't convince me you're right and I'm wrong.

I have no doubts about my God

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Good. Me neither.

Carico- I just want you to know that I will never come to Christ now, simply because of people like you and you in specific. You have been so hateful and so narrowminded and so unloving and uncaring and rude and all the things that we all try to avoid being to be good people in life and you have done it all in the name of your God. You make the image of God dirty. I am shocked and appalled by everything that has been communicated between us and I can't believe that you do your religion a service by being a member.

If I get banned for this I don't care. It has to be said. I am wounded in my heart for you and your poor fellow Christians who have to clean their name with outsiders because that person may have spoken to you first.

^^ What she said.^^

There are Christians who don't make me glad I'm no longer a Christian, but there are very few to none of them on this site.

Mylinkay, you never came to Christ before you heard what i said. I'm sure there have been many Christians whom you've liked and that still didn't bring you to Christ!! So I'm not taking the blame for your beliefs. Jesus said "No one can come to the Father unless the Father draws him." if you have not been drawn by God, then wild horses cannot make you believe. If you have been drawn by God, then He will make sure that you find Him. The posts on which I have shown God's love, I have been slapped in the face for it. On the posts where I point out the fallacy of the belief of atheists, I am also slapped in the face for it. If people don't care about Jesus, why in the world will they care about me? The only thing they want from me is to agree with them.

No, I don't want you to agree with me. I would like you to stop saying that hate is love and mean spirited words are kindness and calling someone a psyco is okay and a loving gesture of someone who is affiliated with your God. Even the Christians here have rebuked you for your nastiness, shouldn't that be some type of indicator that you are being overly harsh in the name of God?

tetelestai said:

Carico--i think that you have gotten to caught up in this debate to see strait. and i think you have stopped treating havoc (especially) and the others as the Lord would have you treat them. please dont feel like i am attacking you, i just want to hold you accountable to Chrstian truths. because when you treat them like they are the scum of the earth and worthy of your condemnation, you shame me, because i also bear the name of Christ.

i hope that when i pose this question it is not something that all of you "pagens" (sorry for the crappy classification. its just so hard to talk about it with out a handle) have reiterated about a zillion times. but what i am wondering is why "God" (and in this sense i mean yours (which includes mine right?)) would have us worship him in so many ways? does he/she/it benefit from this in some way? or desire it?

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the way i see it, god is above labels. she only cares that we love her, and wants us to speak with her. she doesn't care about anything else. all the different paths are for the different people. not everyone will want to go down the same street. the problems start when people stop listening to god and start listening to other people, or even worse, themselves.

Kira Faye said:

I think its because of the way we are brought up. Well in one society its alrioght to eat dogs while another its totally wrong. We are brought up differently with different influences so we would respond differently. What apeals to one person my repel another. So god being omnipresent and omnipotent shows its self to everyone in a way that we understand and comprehend. That way god can spread its love in a way that we all can understand. All roots to religions (accept the crazy ones like the alien ones etc........) the ones that show love and all those beautiful things are the same, people just comprehend it differently because we are different and god created us that way.

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why are the alien based religions so crazy? how is it any crazier than my belief, or yours? it isn't. we, of all people need to be a little less condemning.

Who do you think has been more persecuted by atheists on this forum? You're the one who called me incoherent first. I take responsibility for my words. You do not. I haven't heard nastiness from Christians of this forum. I get tired of atheists saying I'm arrogant when I know I'm a sinner and they don't think they are. Atheists have not only insulted other Christians here (which i have not), they have insulted God. You can't get more arrogant than that. That doesn't bother them a bit. If i call them on it, they insult me. I am simply re -iterating their beliefs. If their beliefs insult them, then maybe they better take a second look at their beliefs. You people can stay stuck as unbelievers for eternity for all I care. The Christians who have tried the "nice" approach were just as rebuffed as I have been for trying both. Jesus's words were harsher and more firm than mine which is why He was killed. He confronted people on their sins. If He was killed for them, then why should i be treated any differently? If there were intellignet arguments against Christianity, I would listen. But they have no more defense of their beliefs, so they have left are snide remarks at me. That is how i know I've gotten somewhere. Now I will leave you atheists with your snide remarks. They belong to you.

mylinkay isn't an atheist. more evidence you dont every read and comprehend one word someone else writes.