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An Index of SDA (Seventh Day Adventist) Errors

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I've already explained. I know very well what the bible says--all of it. Perhaps you are ignorant of some of it? If you reread my posts I've stst4d my reasons. I follow what the bible days, it just that the church teachers what I believe, if they didn't, I wouldn't be one. You wish to believe Rev is for the Jews, that's on you, there is no way on this earth for me to come to that conclusion. The millennium, the New Jerusalem, the 7 churches, the judgement of the wicked, only for Israel?? Not in my reading of it. It seems it is you that is believing what your church teaches and not what the bible says.
 
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Ssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Don't tell the Jews that. I will believe that the next time I go to church and there is a menorah on the altar.

They aren't ''Jews''. The so called judaism of today is Phariseeism (Rabbinic judaism, religion of the rabbis) which has had a further 2,000 years of corruption. The Synagogue of Satan.

28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God. Romans 2:28-39


22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23

God bless

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What you fail to understand, despite my best efforts, is that if you wish to follow the Law, you have committed yourself to obeying all of God's commandments, not just ten of them.
 
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What you fail to understand, besides my best efforts, is that we are called to keep the 10 commandments, not 613 of them. I will repeat myself. They are the only ones that God wrote with His own finger, they were the only ones that were in the ark, they are not a part of the Levitical service. These are the ones that Revelation speaks of. It is what the early church all kept and the founding fathers taught. They taught the 10 commandments, but their Sabbath was Sunday. The Pilgrims kept Sunday strictly and so did Catholics and other faiths. It's no secret, you can look it up. In thus country it was the same thing, that is why the 10 commandments are written in all the court rooms including the Supreme court. It took a court ruling in 2005 to bring them down, until then they were on display in every town square, public buildings and schools.
Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

If you want to keep the 613 others, please feel free to do so, but you then reject Jesus sacrifice and must offer blood atonement through animal sacrifice. Good luck.
 
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Precisely where did God tell Christians to obey only ten of His commandments?
 
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Exactly where did God say to not obey any of His commandments??

Touche! We could go on like this forever. You choose your commandments to obey and if that makes you happy, then I won't complain. Just don't push your selection of commandments on others whose selection may differ from yours.
 
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Here is where we believe that Jesus and Michael are the same. Read it in Daniel:12:1: "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." The "prince" is the son of the King and the King is God who sits on the throne, is He not?

Rejection of the trinity? Here in John 17 where Jesus prayed TO THE FATHER who was sitting on the throne in heaven. John:17:1: "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:" Was Jesus praying to Himself? We believe that Jesus and the Father are One in character, or spirit, not in body.

The investigative judgement? At the same time William Miller preached the soon coming of Jesus in 1844 there were NO Seventh Day Adventists. The believers were considered Millerites and they were believers from all denominations because the SDA denomination was not established until 1856. And at the same time Miller was preaching the soon coming of Christ there were many others around the world preaching the same message.

The Sunday laws? To ignore the facts about Sunday laws is dangerous. In 1888 an attorney named AT Jones went in front of a senate sub committee hearing, along with a seventh day baptist, to argue against the national Sunday law which was being voted on. You all can thank Mr Jones for keeping this from happening. You can read the transcript of that hearing,
http://temcat.com/L-1-adv-pioneer-lib/ATJONES/NationalSundayLaw-Jones.pdf

E G White an inspired prophet? There is a test to prove every truth from the bible alone found in Isaiah:8:20: "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." When I joined the church I was very critical of EG White and tried to prove the church wrong so I read her writings and compared themto God's word and could find no deadly errors that disagreed with the bible. I thank God for using errant human beings to do His work otherwise we would all be in trouble.

Outpouring of prophecy on pentcost overshadows everything sister White wrote. She admits that she is the lessor light to the greater light and SDAs normally do not use her writings unless they really must. She even stated that "if we would study for ourselves she would not have had to write the 150,000 pages she, as a third grader did. For a third grader to write what she did, especially the little book Steps to Christ, which I recommend for everyone, is proof of inspiration.

The Sunday issue is proven all over the internet that the RCC did inn fact change the day, or the solemnity of the sabbath to Sunday. Christmas easter halloween, all souls day are in fact pagan holidays in that the bible never tells us to acknowledge them as any form of celebration. All one has to do is read this or any of the other proof sites about the paganism of holidays,
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/holidays2.htm

The prophetic timelines? All one has to do is find out for themselves what these time;lines refer to. To make the statement "despite clear lack of meaning" is because people don't take the time to find out what they mean.

The Waldensean, etc Christians were hunted like animals during the inquisition, the dark ages that the RCC and all those associated would rather hide in obscurity. They were hunted like animals because they would not join the RCC. Along with over 100 million others who were murdered by this organization during the dark ages, and all for not joining them.

BTW My daughter graduated from academy with honors, scholarship and valedictorian.
 
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Please list the 613 laws for us so we can compare and see which ones Jesus kept... He is our example after all. IOW, did Jesus keep all the commandments?
 
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Please list the 613 laws for us so we can compare and see which ones Jesus kept... He is our example after all. IOW, did Jesus keep all the commandments?

Of course Jesus kept all 613 commandments perfectly. Had he broken one of them He would have sinned, thereby proving that He was just a mortal sinner like the rest of humanity.

Now that we have established that fact, I think you will agree that if we are to follow Jesus' example, we ought to keep all 613 commandments - perfectly. Do you?
 
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What fact you have established remains to be seen...
As you can see, Jesus did not keep all 613 commandments... actually, no one was required to because not all applied to every person. But we do see examples of Jesus not keeping some of these commandments... how do you explain that if He was supposed to keep them all to be sinless?
 
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So, precisely which commandments did Jesus break and sin against God?
 
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That was not my question. Please pay better attention. My question was as follows:

"Precisely which commandments did Jesus break and sin against God?"

As He is the Lamb, and had not been sacrificed yet, He was under the law as was every Jew then. He never sinned --period. He did not break any commandment. He was accused of breaking the Sabbath for picking the grain on Sabbath, but He didn't break the Sabbath law as stated. He kept every laws as written in the heart of man as we all do. The 613 laws was if you broke one of them, you needed to do blood sacrifice. But not all 613 applied to everybody as East coast stated. Some of those applied to the whole nation, not just an individual. Jesus would never have sinned AGAINST GOD. However, He more than likely did not keep the rules of the Pharisees, those things not stated in the commandments, such as, on the Sabbath you could only walk so many paces, then had to sit down. The commandment states no such thing, those rules were invented by the Rabbis, like not picking the grain to eat on the spot. He kept what God said to keep, not what man said to keep. A Jewish friend said they pull the sheets of toilet paper apart before the Sabbath as tearing toilet paper would be work!!! No, I don't picture Jesus doing that. Jesus never quoted the 613, He only talked about the 10. And, as He said,
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The 1st 4 deal with our relationship to God, the last 6 our relationship to each other--on these 2 HANG all the law. And those are the ones He kept.
 
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Thank you for your excellent reply. I never imagined that the SDA has ever taught that Jesus sinned against God and I thank you for confirming it.

EastCoastRemnant earlier told us to do as Jesus did. Jesus never sinned. Period. Never. Ever.

I would be amazed if you or he or any other SDA would assert that they have never sinned. However, that is precisely what Jesus did and if EastCoastRemnant actually expects anyone to be utterly sinless then he is either extremely deceived or is making a false statement.
 
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But you agree that we are to emulate Jesus, and He was sinless. So now what?
Well, guess what---we are sinless---when we sin and we ask God to forgive us--

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

At that instant, we are sinless----unfortunately, the very next moment comes---
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
If I could just find that magic button that I can push to become a sinless robot, I would push the stupid thing.
 
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Of course we emulate Jesus, but we will never be innately sinless as He was. We are forgiven sinners. On that I think we agree.
 
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