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[Texas Lynn]

No, I don't because you all had already voted against this, and I don't believe the court had any right to be able to overturn it. So I would be voting to change what I believe is an illegal act by the Court.

The Court rightfully ruled that the majority cannot limit the rights of a minority.

Just for this conversation lets say that God believes homosexuality is a sin.

There's no reason to embrace that falsehood.

If Jesus was living on earth, in California, right now how do you think He would vote, with the world or with His Father?

"The World" is the prejudiced notion that the majority can enact prejudice against oppressed groups. Few things are more "worldly" than oppression. Even is masked, as this is, in religio-mystic rhetoric, it is still the action of oppression and as such is the action of "the world". There is no doubt whatsoever that Jesus would vote in favor of the love of his children, against the evil proposition advanced by the evil forces of the religious right.

 

[Crazy Liz]

No, I would not say "okay, sure", because I answer to God over anything man wants or does. So as I have already said, I believe it isn't pleasing to God, and so no I would not marry someone of the same gender as me.

I could tell how I had SSA, and how I have been happily married to a man for almost 33 yrs., (I'm a woman) but I don't need to be told how I'm lying or all those other things that come up when I mention it. So in other words I won't, and will just continue to Praise the Lord for my husband, son, daughter-in-law and precious grandson.

SSA? Sorry, but I'm ignorant of that abbreviation.

 

[Texas Lynn]

SSA? Sorry, but I'm ignorant of that abbreviation.

SSA = same sex attraction. It is not unusual to find those overcome by a fundamentalist ideology to claim to have sexual attraction to the same gender, saying "if I can overcome it, anybody can" though of course this essentially amounts to an unfortunate and futile gesture. It is also a false logic, claiming essentially everyone who has a "love map" toward pairing with someone of the same gender is exactly the same.

 

[savedandhappy1]

While I'm no scholar of the U.S. Judicial System I would seriously doubt that an illegal act would have been made by the Court. Precisely what WAS this 'illegal act'?

So you don't believe that we the people or in other words the constitution...........I was going to go into more until I realized that the way you worded your reply might mean you aren't an American.

So let me say that this country was sit up to be ran by the people for the people, and majority rule has always been the rule. Since I don't know where you live I will guess that it isn't a communist country, and so I would also guess that you get to vote in your leaders, right? If so don't you vote in people whose views are similar to yours and what you feel is morally right for all?

You don't need to worry though because our country is getting more and more worldly, and in my opinion more and more away from the Lord, so it won't be long before we loss all our rights as a government that is supposed to be by the people and for the people.

Some states have already passed bills that are making Christianity a crime, and the Bible evil. So just give it alittle more time and you will be able to see Christians who believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, and believe that homosexuality is a sin arrested if they preach that.


[QUOTE=KCKID;47864665]Well, that's a hypothetical situation, isn't it?

As I said just for this conversation lets say. You know I believe it is a sin in God's eyes, but was using it as a hypothetical situation yes.


[QUOTE=KCKID;47864665] The problem we have in ACTUALITY is that Jesus would surely not say that two people who are innately 'gay' are committing a sin. Sodomy may be or may have been perceived as sinful at one time but that has nothing to do with one's sexual orientation and who one is sexually attracted to. Any taboo would surely have been due to procreational factors anyway. We really are not sure whether the Bible even makes reference to the issue that we're discussing on this subforum. Those scarce scriptures that might appear to refer to homosexuality are most ambiguous and it's doubtful that they would hold up as defense for the 'anti-gay' message in any Court of Law.

That is your opinion, I understand that, but it isn't what I feel to be the truth according to scriptures. I also can remember the time when what the Bible says was wrong did matter in a Court of Law, but those times are becoming more and more scare, just as we are told they would in His Word.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Good, nobody's forcing you to. That would be wrong. So is forbidding those who want to.

So how am I forbidding anyone to vote as they feel or don't feel God is leading them?

 

[savedandhappy1]

"The Lord" does not demand people deny their capacities to love.

There are many references of not loving anything more than Him, and ...............well as I have said on many a thread, we need to do a thread on what types of love and their meaning really are in Christ opinion.

I can also understand why there won't be any marriages or giving in marriage in heaven, but that would be a whole new thread also.

 

[savedandhappy1]

SSA = same sex attraction. It is not unusual to find those overcome by a fundamentalist ideology to claim to have sexual attraction to the same gender, saying "if I can overcome it, anybody can" though of course this essentially amounts to an unfortunate and futile gesture. It is also a false logic, claiming essentially everyone who has a "love map" toward pairing with someone of the same gender is exactly the same.

Boy didn't you prove my point............

I could tell how I had SSA, and how I have been happily married to a man for almost 33 yrs., (I'm a woman) but I don't need to be told how I'm lying or all those other things that come up when I mention it. So in other words I won't, and will just continue to Praise the Lord for my husband, son, daughter-in-law and precious grandson.

Sorry but what is a "love map"?

Oh, by the way where did I say if I can overcome?

All I stated..............nevermind, you seem intent to do what you claim all conservative fundamentalist right wing Christians are suppose to be doing.

If it wasn't for the fact that I don't believe someone can go completely by what emotions, and characteristic seem to be coming out of the typed word, I would diffenently say that you hold hateful prejudice feelings for those who believe homosexuality is a sin. Since I don't know you and don't believe those things can fully be known under this type of setting I will not state this as truth, and take the chance of bearing false witness against you or some of the others whose post SEEM (appearances aren't always what they seem to be) to be displaying those things.

 

[savedandhappy1]

SSA? Sorry, but I'm ignorant of that abbreviation.

Sorry, SSA=same sex attraction.

 

[Archer93]

So this isn't America anymore, and the Constitution of for the people and by the people doesn't really mean that?

Anyhow are you saying that the majority of people in the USA voted to overrule and not allow these things, since it was a National government decision, (I think) or just the people in the states involved?

We are told to obey the laws of the land and if we were still putting in Godly leaders, like it also tells us to do in the Bible maybe there wouldn't be so must confussion about worldly/secular issues.

Since I don't believe there is any comparison between African Americans and female civil rights, because I don't consider homosexuality as something that is a God created thing I'm not real sure how to answer. Or should I say it isn't a yes or no answer to me.

The simple truth of the matter to me is that I believe the Bible is clear on homosexuality being a sin, and so to me a vote in favor of allowing a marriage between two males or two females would be me approving of something I believe is not pleasing to God. So unless the Lord tells me different I will not vote to ok that type of marriage. I don't hate those with SSA nor do I wish anything bad to happen to them, but for the reasons above, I could never vote in favor of that issue.

So in other words, looking at your last paragraph, you think that the dictates of your religion are more important than the Constitution?

The laws of the land are there for everyone's benefit- not just for the majority. If the majority were to vote in favour of the active supression of Christianity, would you accept that as being the law of the land or would you challenge it using the Constitution?

If you want decisions about the law to be based purely on a public vote, you might as well throw out the Constitution entirely.

 

[Archer93]

No, I would not say "okay, sure", because I answer to God over anything man wants or does. So as I have already said, I believe it isn't pleasing to God, and so no I would not marry someone of the same gender as me.

Could you make your mind up? First you say that you are told to obey the laws of the land and then you declare that you would defy the laws of the land. Which is it? Because it sounds as if you're prepared to ignore both God's word and man's laws if something came up that you personally didn't like..

I could tell how I had SSA, and how I have been happily married to a man for almost 33 yrs., (I'm a woman) but I don't need to be told how I'm lying or all those other things that come up when I mention it. So in other words I won't, and will just continue to Praise the Lord for my husband, son, daughter-in-law and precious grandson.

In which case, I won't say 'So, you were bisexual and are now monogamously married to a man. So?'

BTW, you also mentioned in a different post that some states have introduced bills making Christianity a crime (and Bibles evil, apparently, although i can't quite see how a legal ruling can affect something's morality...). Could you provide the source for this?

 

[Texas Lynn]

So let me say that this country was sit up to be ran by the people for the people, and majority rule has always been the rule.

In 1787, the majority approved of slavery. They were wrong. so are those who seek to harm LGBTs and their families. We are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy, and so designed to protect the rights of the minorities. It is highly immoral for the population as a whole to be voting on this and to deny the right to marry to LGBTs is an immoral act.

Some states have already passed bills that are making Christianity a crime

This is propaganda with no basis in fact.

 

[Texas Lynn]

So how am I forbidding anyone to vote as they feel or don't feel God is leading them?

To deny same gender marriage is to declare LGBTs' love not as good as yours. As such it is a reprehensible act.

People are free to vote however they wish; however those claiming "god" would lead them to vote in favor of ending same gender marriages worship an evil god. As we know, their right to vote is the same as ours but it is not moral because of their delusion.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Sorry but what is a "love map"?

It is a term coined by the anthropologist Helen Fisher to describe the sort of persons a person is attracted to; it's like sexual orientation plus.

...I would say that you hold hateful prejudice feelings for those who believe homosexuality is a sin...

Na klar. I love them. I just hate their sin.

 

[catlover]

Some states have already passed bills that are making Christianity a crime, and the Bible evil. So just give it alittle more time and you will be able to see Christians who believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, and believe that homosexuality is a sin arrested if they preach that.


[QUOTE=KCKID;47864665]Well, that's a hypothetical situation, isn't it?

That is your opinion, I understand that, but it isn't what I feel to be the truth according to scriptures. I also can remember the time when what the Bible says was wrong did matter in a Court of Law, but those times are becoming more and more scare, just as we are told they would in His Word.

Please list the states and laws that have made it a crime to be a christian

 

[Caylin]

So this isn't America anymore, and the Constitution of for the people and by the people doesn't really mean that?

Anyhow are you saying that the majority of people in the USA voted to overrule and not allow these things, since it was a National government decision, (I think) or just the people in the states involved?

We are told to obey the laws of the land and if we were still putting in Godly leaders, like it also tells us to do in the Bible maybe there wouldn't be so must confussion about worldly/secular issues.

Since I don't believe there is any comparison between African Americans and female civil rights, because I don't consider homosexuality as something that is a God created thing I'm not real sure how to answer. Or should I say it isn't a yes or no answer to me.

The simple truth of the matter to me is that I believe the Bible is clear on homosexuality being a sin, and so to me a vote in favor of allowing a marriage between two males or two females would be me approving of something I believe is not pleasing to God. So unless the Lord tells me different I will not vote to ok that type of marriage. I don't hate those with SSA nor do I wish anything bad to happen to them, but for the reasons above, I could never vote in favor of that issue.

Whether or not you think they are comparable or not doesn't matter. The majority of people didn't want civil rights for blacks or women and they were overruled by the government. Also, you aren't *allowed* to quote the constitution here. You want rights for gays outlawed on a religious basis, which is grossly against the 1st amendment, so don't whine at me about "a government for the people."

 

[Caylin]

Some states have already passed bills that are making Christianity a crime, and the Bible evil. So just give it alittle more time and you will be able to see Christians who believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, and believe that homosexuality is a sin arrested if they preach that.

... I'm sorry, I didn't know what kind of person I was addressing with my last post.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

There you have it, folks - a group pushing for the imprisonment of same-sex couples fully affiliated with Focus on the Family. Hardly a fringe group.

Information taken from:
www.wifamilycouncil.org/

Well...I would say that more and more they ARE a fringe group.

And FoF's leader, James Dobson, is consumed by darkness.

 

[savedandhappy1]

In 1787, the majority approved of slavery. They were wrong. so are those who seek to harm LGBTs and their families. We are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy, and so designed to protect the rights of the minorities. It is highly immoral for the population as a whole to be voting on this and to deny the right to marry to LGBTs is an immoral act.

So which is more immoral, passing a law that is considered a sin in God's eyes, or not voting in favor or it, and the world call it immoral?

Romans 12:1-2
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

God's will for us is transformation which takes place from the inside out, not conformation, which is someone's external, superficial idea of what we should be, or our own efforts to conform to their ideas, expectations and demands.

So often the world wants to draw the borders of a box and put us in it. But this won't work because the box is not God's design.

Also alot of people think you should do what they are doing, and that you should be a part of their plan. This is wonderful if God agrees, but when God doesn't agree then we shouldn't either.

I am determined that I will not be conformed to the wishes of my friends, relatives and/or the world, but will be transformed and led by the Spirit of God. This Spirit tells me that homosexuality is a sin, and so that would mean that marriage/union of homosexuals would also be a sin. I will not vote so the world can make a sin legal by the worlds standards, because that isn't the standards that Christians are to live by.

This is propaganda with no basis in fact.[/quote]

FAITH UNDER FIRE
Legislator: Law allows banishment of Bible
'This is written so anybody can take any part and grow it into monstrosity'
By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=68542
A lawmaker in Colorado who challenged the authors of SB200, a new law that bans discrimination based on the "perception" of gender, contends it was written to give a wide open door to anyone who wants to banish Christian beliefs or the Bible.
"This is so loaded. It's written in an open-ended fashion that anybody can take just about any part of it and grow it into a huge monstrosity," state Rep. Kevin Lundberg told WND today. "It was written with intentional [vagueness]."
He spoke with WND after a news conference at which a number of groups and organizations announced plans to challenge the law. Among those promising to dispute the new limitations on speech and actions was Liberty Counsel, which is reviewing the situation now in preparation for a legal challenge.
"Section 8 of Senate Bill 200 is a wide open door for any judge to censor anything that condemns homosexuality, including Scripture," Lundberg said at the news conference. Section 8 is headlined, "Publishing of discriminative matter forbidden."
"I do believe that the Bible is banned, under the plain language of this new statute," said Steve Crampton, general counsel of Liberty Counsel.
Others represented at the news conference were WND columnist and national syndicated talk show host Janet Folger, who wrote "The Criminalization of Christianity;" Steve Curtis, president of the American Right To Life Action and former chairman of the Colorado GOP; Kevin Swanson of Christian Home Educators of Colorado; Mark Hotaling of Christian Family Alliance and Colorado for Family Values.
Continue reading by going to the link above.

http://theway2k.vox.com/library/pos...ty-discriminated-and-illegal-to-practice.html

Actually the analysis I read makes preaching Biblical Christianity (which is anti-homosexual and anti-transgender) a hate crime with the ONLY exception being the confines of a Church. Street witnessing or protesting or renting of public buildings for preaching Biblical Christianity would thus open the Christian or Christians to criminal charges of hate crime.
The passing out of biblical Christian stand points (or the selling of such in the market) could be interpreted by a Left Wing police as a hate crime subjecting the Christian to hate crime arrest.
Fright has nothing to do with this. It is outrage of constraining free speech by validating the Biblically moral deficient above God's Word.

http://trueanomaly.blogspot.com/2008/06/colorado-sb-200-analysis.html

Colorado Law: 'Publishing of Discriminative Matter Forbidden'
Christian Opposition Press Conference July 1, DTC Marriot
Contact: Donna Ballentine, American Right To Life Action, 888-888-2785, office@ARTLAction.com
DENVER, June 30 /Christian Newswire/ -- Leaders representing many Christian organizations will hold a press conference tomorrow, July 1 to announce plans to oppose Colorado's new censorship law, SB 200.


Rep. Lundberg confirms the fear of many Christian organizations that, "Section 8 [of SB200] is a wide open door for any judge to censor anything that condemns homosexuality, including Scripture." Steve Crampton, general counsel of Liberty Counsel, has stated, "I do believe that the Bible is banned, under the plain language of this new statute." Liberty Counsel is a national pro-family litigation organization with hundreds of affiliate attorneys.
Janet Folger wrote the popular book, The Criminalization of Christianity, and has announced on her nationally syndicated radio program her plans to help fight the government censorship and religious infringements of Colorado's SB200.
"American RTL Action is a political 527 group headquartered a half-block from the Colorado capitol, and we're not going to hire someone cohabitating outside of marriage, let alone a homosexual," said Steve Curtis, the group's president as reported by WorldNetDaily.com. "SB200 also makes it a crime for us to publish biblical teaching on immorality, so we are prepared to violate this anti-Christian government censorship."
The media is invited to this press conference to be held just off the lobby at the Denver Tech Center Marriot at 4900 Syracuse St. at 10:15 a.m. on July 1, 2008.
Media contact:
Donna Ballentine
1-888-888-ARTL (2785)
Emergency: 303 881-0376
office@AmericanRTL.org

 

[savedandhappy1]

... I'm sorry, I didn't know what kind of person I was addressing with my last post.

Yes, I am one of those kind of people that after 46 yrs. of knowing the Lord, sometimes walking with Him, sometimes walking in the wrong direction, sometimes falling, and yet finding Him right there to pick me up.

Yes, I am one of those people that still find it amazing that no matter how many times they kicked Him, spit on Him, beat Him, called Him a liar along with other names, He still loved us. So amazing, He is that even after they drove the spikes in Him, put the crown of thorns on His head, and even after they drove the spear in His side He still said Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

Oh yes, I am one of those kind of people that still finds it amazing that He love us so much, through it all, and because of that love He still today forgives and loves us. Giving us that same love inside of us so that no matter what if we keep our eyes on Him that that love grows inside of us, and makes it possible to look past the small things that people use in an attempt to take away that love. That no matter what His love still fill us and makes us strive to not give in to this world of sin, and to reach out in attempts to keep others from missing that wonderful love.

Yep, I am one of those kind of people, THANK YOU LORD!!!!

 

[Caylin]

Yes, I am one of those kind of people that after 46 yrs. of knowing the Lord, sometimes walking with Him, sometimes walking in the wrong direction, sometimes falling, and yet finding Him right there to pick me up.

Yes, I am one of those people that still find it amazing that no matter how many times they kicked Him, spit on Him, beat Him, called Him a liar along with other names, He still loved us. So amazing, He is that even after they drove the spikes in Him, put the crown of thorns on His head, and even after they drove the spear in His side He still said Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

Oh yes, I am one of those kind of people that still finds it amazing that He love us so much, through it all, and because of that love He still today forgives and loves us. Giving us that same love inside of us so that no matter what if we keep our eyes on Him that that love grows inside of us, and makes it possible to look past the small things that people use in an attempt to take away that love. That no matter what His love still fill us and makes us strive to not give in to this world of sin, and to reach out in attempts to keep others from missing that wonderful love.

Yep, I am one of those kind of people, THANK YOU LORD!!!!

So when did telling lies become a godly value? What about breaking the laws of the land when you outlaw gay marriage? I thought you were supposed to be truthful and follow the law. Obviously, I was addressing someone who was either lieing, or refusing to think when she said that several states outlawed being a christian. And again, explain why you bring up the law and the constitution when you strive to shatter it as best you can?