An Empirical Theory Of God (2)

[quatona]

I used the term "belief" because [...]

So you are capable of and willing to distinguish between "beliefs" and "knowledge".
Cool - this was the very point of my initial remark.

 

[Michael]

So you are capable of and willing to distinguish between "beliefs" and "knowledge".
Cool - this was the very point of my initial remark.

I take it that means you just sort of intend to ignore my whole point about cosmology "statements of faith" and how the conversation applies to that topic in particular?

 

[quatona]

I take it that means you just sort of intend to ignore my whole point about cosmology "statements of faith" and how the conversation applies to that topic in particular?

Which conversation? The conversation I had with the poster I responded to before you asked me to explain my response?

 

[Michael]

Which conversation? The conversation I had with the poster I responded to before you asked me to explain my response?

I think we're whipping a dead horse at this point. Truce?

 

[quatona]

I think we're whipping a dead horse at this point. Truce?

Well, to me it seems more like we have been whipping different horses all the time (and that I have tried to explain that we did, all the time, to no avail).
Truce is not an option because I haven´t been at war with you at any point in time, but I´ll offer "no hard feelings!".

 

[Michael]

Well, to me it seems more like we have been whipping different horses all the time (and that I have tried to explain that we did, all the time, to no avail).

I think you're probably right about that.

Truce is not an option because I haven´t been at war with you at any point in time, but I´ll offer "no hard feelings!".

Ok. Beer time.

 

[Michael]

First, you have not established that there are any "electronic circuits in space".

Let's start to rectify that situation, shall we?

Double layers and circuits in astrophysics
1974ApJ...190..467L Page 467
PICTURES UNIVERSE ELECTRIFIED SPACE - Prof. Birkeland of Norway Holds That Suns and Stars Are Charged Negatively. - Article - NYTimes.com
Double layers and circuits in astrophysics
Cosmic plasma - Google Books
1996Ap&SS.242...93P Page 93
1958IAUS....6..135D Page 135
NASA - NASA Spacecraft Make New Discoveries About Northern Lights
Sandia's Z machine exceeds two billion degrees Kelvin
1948MNRAS.108..163G Page 163
https://springerlink3.metapress.com...dbuehqhatvwttpjxjzpz2&sh=www.springerlink.com
MHD simulation of electric currents in the solar atmosphere caused by photospher
A Technique for Measuring Electrical Currents in the Solar Corona
Electric Currents as the Main Cause of Coronal and Flare Activity in the Sun and
Are Electric Currents in Solar Active Regions Neutralized?
Taylor & Francis Online :: LXXVI. Conditions for the occurrence of electrical discharges in astrophysical systems - Philosophical Magazine Series 7 - Volume 44, Issue 354
496-501
Electric currents in cosmic plasmas
The Origins of Hot Plasma in the Solar Corona
Fermi's Large Area Telescope sees surprising flares in Crab Nebula
[0908.0813] Generation of large scale electric fields in coronal flare circuits
Fermi Catches Thunderstorms Hurling Antimatter into Space | SpaceRef - Your Space Reference
Successful Predictions of the Electrical Discharge Theory of Cosmic Atmospheric Phenomena and Universal Evolution
Electric fields in the solar atmosphere - A review
Birkeland current - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ScienceDirect - Planetary and Space Science : An electrodynamic model of the solar wind interaction with the ionospheres of Mars and Venus
Cosmic electric currents and the generalized Bennett relation
Current Limitation and Solar Flares
Peer Reviewed Papers In Cosmology - Cosmology Quest
http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.1701
http://arxiv.org/abs/1002.3305

I'm still working on rounding up some additional links and then we'll talk "physics".

 

[Michael]

BBC News - LHC results put supersymmetry theory 'on the spot'

FYI, this week there are some more empirical nails in the "cold dark matter" coffin. Yeah!

 

[Doveaman]

BBC News - LHC results put supersymmetry theory 'on the spot'

FYI, this week there are some more empirical nails in the "cold dark matter" coffin. Yeah!

Yeah!

 

[mzungu]

Yeah!

YEAH WHAT? Can you scientifically explain exactly what it is about the news that makes you so happy?

 

[Michael]

YEAH WHAT? Can you scientifically explain exactly what it is about the news that makes you so happy?

It personally makes me extremely happy that empirical physics (EU theory) is now likely to win out over myth-making with math. I can't tell you how tired I am of astronomers pointing at the sky and claiming that some mythical SUSY particle did it. They've literally "invented" three new forms of mass and energy in their creation mythology. Their mythical brands of "non-baryonic dark matter" claims are almost entirely based on SUSY theory. What is worse IMO is that they attribute rather routine observations (like gamma rays), which have simple known causes (like electrical discharges), to SUSY related dogma. It's ridiculous that they point at the sky and do that, but they do it all the time.

 

[Michael]

Astrophysics Satellite Detects Dark Matter Clue?

Here's an example of what I mean:

The new paper reports a measurement of the positron fraction in the energy range 1.5–100GeV.
“We find that the positron fraction increases sharply over much of that range, in a way that appears to be completely inconsistent with secondary sources,” the authors wrote in the Nature paper. “We therefore conclude that a primary source, be it an astrophysical object or dark matter annihilation, is necessary.” Another feasible source for the antimatter particles, besides dark matter annihilation, could be a pulsar, they note.

What "dark matter annihilation"? They made that up! Dark matter doesn't do squat in the lab, let alone "annihilate". One gets a wee tired of reading this sort of metaphysical nonsense after awhile.

 

[Doveaman]

YEAH WHAT? Can you scientifically explain exactly what it is about the news that makes you so happy?

"Experimental confirmation of a prediction is merely a measurement. An experiment disproving a prediction is a discovery."
- Enrico Fermi

I'm always happy when there's a new scientific discovery.

 

[mzungu]

I'm always happy when there's a new scientific discovery.

Who isn't

 

[mzungu]

Astrophysics Satellite Detects Dark Matter Clue?

Here's an example of what I mean:




What "dark matter annihilation"? They made that up! Dark matter doesn't do squat in the lab, let alone "annihilate". One gets a wee tired of reading this sort of metaphysical nonsense after awhile.

Many particles were predicted mathematically before being physically discovered. Much science is done mathematically before it can be physically applied. Besides all science boils down to mathematics!

 

[Michael]

Many particles were predicted mathematically before being physically discovered.

Perhaps so, but SUSY theory isn't even a "mainstream" particle physics theory. Only astronomers seem to be emotionally attached to finding new forms of matter. I think particle physicists would have been happy just finding the Higgs Boson. As it stands they seem to have falsified both SUSY theory AND mainstream theory all at the same time.

Much science is done mathematically before it can be physically applied. Besides all science boils down to mathematics!

No. Many maths exist on paper that have no corresponding physical correlation in the real world of PHYSICS. Epicycles were great for instance at calculating the location of planets when folks believed the Earth was the center of the universe, but they turned out to be useless as it relates to actually understanding the physics of the solar system. It boils down to physics, specifically EMPIRICAL PHYSICS, not math *ALONE*.

Astronomers completely jumped the gun with SUSY theory. Even NASA got "caught up" in the overly optimistic view of SUSY theory:

Official NASA Fermi Website

From their mission statement:

Search for signs of new laws of physics and what composes the mysterious Dark Matter.

What "new laws of physics"? What "dark matter"? Just because they have failed to find all the NORMAL mass contained in the universe doesn't mean that exotic types of matter exist!

 

[mzungu]

BBC News - Higgs particle could be found by Christmas

 

[Nabobalis]

BBC News - Higgs particle could be found by Christmas

Fingers crossed its not found

 

[mzungu]

Fingers crossed its not found

LOL; That will make Michael very happy!!

 

[Michael]

LOL; That will make Michael very happy!!

FYI, I'm really not emotionally or scientifically attached to an outcome of the search for the Higgs Boson. I am however quite happy that SUSY theory has finally been "tested" in a true physics "experiment", and it is found to be lacking. The obvious reason for my glee over the failure of SUSY theory is due to the fact that this empirical cosmology theory is in competition with mainstream metaphysical cosmology theory. It's always therefore extremely enjoyable to watch mainstream cosmology fail another key "prediction" and bite the dust.