An Empirical Theory Of God (2)

quatona

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Of course there are appropriate ways and inappropriate ways to call things. Otherwise our dictionaries, which are the recognized authorities on proper word-usage, would not be necessary.
You got that wrong. Dictionaries collect the current usages of a word.
And logic hasn´t got anything to do with it, anyway.
I addressed your post because you stated otherwise in an effort to trivialize the word God.
Seeing how great the variety of God concepts is among confessing theists, my point should be obvious. Don´t shoot the messenger. (I am, e.g. pretty sure that - were it not for a self-professed Christian like Michael - you would be up in arms for trivializing God as "natural").
 
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You got that wrong. Dictionaries collect the current usages of a word.
And logic hasn´t got anything to do with it, anyway.

Seeing how great the variety of God concepts is among confessing theists, my point should be obvious. Don´t shoot the messenger. (I am, e.g. pretty sure that - were it not for a self-professed Christian like Michael - you would be up in arms for trivializing God as "natural").
If you illogically call a chicken a dog, dag, or dig, then the dictionary would straighten out your illogical usage.
About this Mike you are mentioning, I haven't the faintest idea what you are referring to.
 
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If you illogically call a chicken a dog, dag, or dig,
I think what you mean to say is "wrongly" - logic isn´t violated at all.
then the dictionary would straighten out your illogical usage.
You are mistaken about the function of dictionaries.
It is, however, not a good idea to use words in a way they aren´t commonly used in (as is documented in dictionaries) - it is likely to produce more misunderstandings than there are anyway.
About this Mike you are mentioning, I haven't the faintest idea what you are referring to.
Michael is the author of this thread, and he´s the guy whom I addressed in my post.
 
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I think what you mean to say is "wrongly" - logic isn´t violated at all.

You are mistaken about the function of dictionaries.
It is, however, not a good idea to use words in a way they aren´t commonly used in (as is documented in dictionaries) - it is likely to produce more misunderstandings than there are anyway.

Michael is the author of this thread, and he´s the guy whom I addressed in my post.
Please explain how it is logical to call a dog a dag and how the dictionary doesn't correct that illogical usage.

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adjective il·log·i·cal \-ji-kəl\
Definition
  • : not showing good judgment : not thinking about things in a reasonable or sensible way
Definition of ILLOGICAL
 
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Please explain how it is logical to call a dog a dag and how the dictionary doesn't correct that illogical usage.

illogical


adjective il·log·i·cal \-ji-kəl\
Definition
  • : not showing good judgment : not thinking about things in a reasonable or sensible way
Definition of ILLOGICAL
You seem to be under them impression that the meaning of words is somewhere set in stone.
That´s not good judgement. :D

Interestingly, when I click on your link, I get something completely different:

not observing the principles of logic
;)
 
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At the risk of getting this thread back on track.....

Here's another bit of evidence that shows that electrical currents play a role in the processes of spacetime:

I wonder how much electric current it would take to turn that hole from black to bright.

With so much electric current we would expect it to be a bright hole instead of a black hole.
 
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I wonder how much electric current it would take to turn that hole from black to bright.

With so much electric current we would expect it to be a bright hole instead of a black hole.

We actually do see a bright region directly around the object. The question is how massive the object *really* has to be *if* current also plays a role in the brightness factor. Usually the mass calculation is related to the brightness factor, but if current is the source of the energy, not all the energy has to come from the object itself.
 
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This fabrication that you mistakenly call a theory explains nothing,

That's not true. It explains why humans have experiences of God on Earth for starters.

raises questions that you will not be able to answer,

That's true of every cosmology theory. Just ask an astronomer where dark energy comes from and how it retains constant density over multiple exponential increases in volume.

is not supported by any evidence whatsoever,

That's *laughably* false, but to discuss the evidence, we'd have to discuss published scientific papers, and you just told me that you're not qualified to discuss them. If that's true, then you're not qualified to discuss the "evidence" either.

and would not be backed by any Christian that I have ever met in my life.

You're right that Panentheism would certainly be a minority viewpoint within the context of any single religion, but it's actually quite compatible with virtually all of them, including Christianity.

Panentheism - Wikipedia
 
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That's not true. It explains why humans have experiences of God on Earth for starters.



That's true of every cosmology theory. Just ask an astronomer where dark energy comes from and how it retains constant density over multiple exponential increases in volume.



That's *laughably* false, but to discuss the evidence, we'd have to discuss published scientific papers, and you just told me that you're not qualified to discuss them. If that's true, then you're not qualified to discuss the "evidence" either.



You're right that Panentheism would certainly be a minority viewpoint within the context of any single religion, but it's actually quite compatible with virtually all of them, including Christianity.

Panentheism - Wikipedia

Your beliefs are not compatible with Christianity and you should change the religion you've listed on your profile.
 
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Your beliefs are not compatible with Christianity and you should change the religion you've listed on your profile.

Ya know......

It really would save us both a lot of time if you actually bothered to read the links I've provided for you:

Panentheism - Wikipedia

Christianity
Panentheism is also a feature of some Christian philosophical theologies and resonates strongly within the theological tradition of the Orthodox Church.[citation needed] It also appears in some Roman Catholic mysticism[citation needed] and in process theology. While process theological thinkers are generally regarded in the Christian West as unorthodox, process philosophical thought is widely believed to have paved the way for open theism, a movement associated primarily with the Evangelical branch of Protestantism.[citation needed]

Panentheism is absolutely compatible with the teachings of Christ.

John 14:15-20


15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Emphasis mine.
 
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Ya know......

It really would save us both a lot of time if you actually bothered to read the links I've provided for you:

Panentheism - Wikipedia



Panentheism is absolutely compatible with the teachings of Christ.

John 14:15-20



Emphasis mine.

I did read the link. Angels are real in Christianity, and your model has no place for them. Just one of many, many disconnects.
 
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