An attempt to eliminate God.

[listed]

Was not that law circumcision Acts 15?

Why do you wish to limit what you believe to half a sentence?

 

[Steeno7]

How can obeying the law be a substitute for God? If by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit I and you do not steal kill lie or commit adultery we a committing idolatry? Maybe you should review that idea.

Maybe you should re-read your OP and take note of how many times you equate the Law with God.

 

[listed]

You are not free the break the Ten commandments then. For that which you confess to is of the Ten commandments and of what Jesus stated we should keep in Mat 19:18.
Even at the very end Jesus is still telling us to keep the Ten Commandments. How can we be so deceived? Rev 22:
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

He said nothing about the law or the 10 Cs. He clearly said he is not free to sin. Because he used the things you do to prove we keep the law does not mean he gave a confession to keeping the law. You are trying to force meaning where none is given or intended.

 

[listed]

I am not talking about the Sabbath but the whole of the ten C's. Is the Sabbath the problem for you only?

Then you indeed are talking about the Sabbath as your intended target. There is no mistake about what you are trying to do.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Was not that law circumcision Acts 15?

You think Acts 15 was only talking about circumcision? None of the men in that context were able to bear the burden of being circumcised at eight days old? None of their fathers either? Only circumcision is an impossible burden, and without it the Law becomes light and easy?

Is circumcision exempt from the "no jot or tittle" clause?

Please explain how this is totally limited to circumcision.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

You are not free the break the Ten commandments then. For that which you confess to is of the Ten commandments and of what Jesus stated we should keep in Mat 19:18.
Even at the very end Jesus is still telling us to keep the Ten Commandments. How can we be so deceived? Rev 22:
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

You assume that "commandments" necessarily refers to the ten. That is an assumption refuted by the Scripture I referred to and you failed to address.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

I am not talking about the Sabbath but the whole of the ten C's. Is the Sabbath the problem for you only?

The Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments. If you say we are bound by these, then we are slaves to the Sabbath as well.

 

[Elder 111]

Maybe you should re-read your OP and take note of how many times you equate the Law with God.

How do mean equate the law with God? The ten commandments is from God and is of His character as you have stated. So what is the problem?

 

[Elder 111]

You think Acts 15 was only talking about circumcision? None of the men in that context were able to bear the burden of being circumcised at eight days old? None of their fathers either? Only circumcision is an impossible burden, and without it the Law becomes light and easy?

Is circumcision exempt from the "no jot or tittle" clause?

Please explain how this is totally limited to circumcision.

Acts 15:
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
What is very interesting here is that they did not condemn the Sabbath fornication/adultery, things strangled or blood. The very things that we would like to say are abolished. Do you see that?

 

[Elder 111]

riginally Posted by Elder 111

You are not free the break the Ten commandments then. For that which you confess to is of the Ten commandments and of what Jesus stated we should keep in Mat 19:18.
Even at the very end Jesus is still telling us to keep the Ten Commandments. How can we be so deceived? Rev 22:
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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You assume that "commandments" necessarily refers to the ten. That is an assumption refuted by the Scripture I referred to and you failed to address.

In the context of the above, yes. The sins mentioned are of the ten C's.
Rev 12:17 identifies God's people, 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Why is the devil vex? Answer: because God people keep His holy Commandments.

 

[Steeno7]

How do mean equate the law with God? The ten commandments is from God and is of His character as you have stated. So what is the problem?

It is a revelation of His character, and get this, God alone expresses His own character. Not you, not anybody else. You really shouldn't be here writing about things you have no understanding of.

 

[Elder 111]

The Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments. If you say we are bound by these, then we are slaves to the Sabbath as well.

Slaves! Is that how you see God? As a slave master! For He would have to have been that to the Jews, for we say He gave them the Sabbath.
Does that make sense to you? Jesus was a salve to the Sabbath while on earth? Paul was a slave to the Sabbath? Luke 416 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.:
Acts 18
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Acts 15:
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
What is very interesting here is that they did not condemn the Sabbath fornication/adultery, things strangled or blood. The very things that we would like to say are abolished. Do you see that?

You have avoided answering questions... why do you expect others to respond to you?

Again do you hold that Acts 15 is limited only to circumcision?

How do you reconcile your insistence of the Sabbath regulation with Romans 14?

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Slaves! Is that how you see God? As a slave master! For He would have to have been that to the Jews, for we say He gave them the Sabbath.
Does that make sense to you? Jesus was a salve to the Sabbath while on earth? Paul was a slave to the Sabbath? Luke 416 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.:
Acts 18
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

It is how I see legalists... not God.

 

[Elder 111]

It is a revelation of His character, and get this, God alone expresses His own character. Not you, not anybody else. You really shouldn't be here writing about things you have no undersranding of.

Mat 5: 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[Elder 111]

You have avoided answering questions... why do you expect others to respond to you?

Again do you hold that Acts 15 is limited only to circumcision?

How do you reconcile your insistence of the Sabbath regulation with Romans 14?

Circucision is not the only problem in Acts 15. But the Ten c's is not the subject there.
Romans 14 in no way imply or refer to the Sabbath. There is mention of eating and drinking. Not the day of Worship.

 

[Elder 111]

It is how I see legalists... not God.

But the command came from God not legalist!

 

[Steeno7]

Mat 5: 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

How ya doin on that???

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Circucision is not the only problem in Acts 15. But the Ten c's is not the subject there.
Romans 14 in no way imply or refer to the Sabbath. There is mention of eating and drinking. Not the day of Worship.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. - Romans 14:5-6

and two bonuses

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. - Colossians 2:16-17

So stop the judgment about Sabbaths!

also...

For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. 1 Corinthians 9:19-20

Paul goes to the synagogue on the Sabbath to try to win the Jews there. Is there any record in the New Testament of any Christians observing a Sabbath outside of the temple or synagogue? I'll tell you now: there aren't.

The ten commandments ARE part of the Old Covenant Law.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

But the command came from God not legalist!

I can see His word about Christ giving us a light yoke, while describing the Law as a heavy one. His word also tells us to be convinced in our own minds about Sabbaths. So it's not God... His word says otherwise.