Nonsense. Just stop it. Jesus said no such thing. Demons believe, just as the Jews do, that God is One. That's all. Demons do not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation, nor can they, nor do they even have that option.
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But Christ made it a point of instruction to the disciples that "Just Believing" is not enough, because even demons "just believe."
If we are going to determine who is a stand up Christian and who isn't, including ourselves, based on behavior, then who among us will be left standing when we are done?
Make a thread about it in GT. Such a discussion would be off topic here.1) I think the thread had exchanged enough to realize that some of us think following God's law is necessary as a part of faith and showing love (and not to gain salvation). I am more or less beyond that.
I really - perhaps to accent the above point - want to know how people 2) know for sure they aren't Hebrews, and 3) why one thinks only Hebrews are responsible for following the law, and 4) why believers hoping to gain the same "prize," who aren't Hebrew are excluded from 3) when the Hebrews have to follow the law (again, not for gaining salvation, but for general obedience.)
But, it isn't based on behavior judged by us, it is something going Christ Himself told us to do several different ways - by standards He Himself said, and His disciples supplemented in various letters.
Nonsense. Just stop it. Jesus said no such thing. Demons believe, just as the Jews do, that God is One. That's all. Demons do not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation, nor can they, nor do they even have that option.
James 2:19-22You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
You forget about promises made exclusively to them. You also forget about the change of or ignore covenants.In a way, it would be more sensible and justifiable if Hebrews only had to follow the law in order to gain salvation. But I am seriously confused as to why a Hebrew would have to 1) follow the law and 2) have faith in Christ, when Christians who aren't Hebrews allegedly do not have to follow the Law at all, and both get the same reward with the commonality of faith in Christ.
If we are going to determine who is a stand up Christian and who isn't, including ourselves, based on behavior, then who among us will be left standing when we are done?
James 2:19-22
This sounds like much more than simple belief.
What it really sounds like is the majority of people on this thread are arguing two sides of the same coin, and some don't realize it.
What exactly are the works that we must do to work with faith, and vice versa? Abraham getting ready to offer Isaac as a sacrifice was a command of God, up until He said, "Stop... here is ram instead."
So, it IS more than simple belief in one God. Clearly there is a "doing" expectation" from us.
Redemption is not offered to them.But Christ made it a point of instruction to the disciples that "Just Believing" is not enough, because even demons "just believe."
But, Christ gave us the standard to be able to be judged by a righteous Judge, and still stand.
Yes and your version includes obligation to the law which Jesus did not bring or teach according to the Gospel of John.
You forget about promises made exclusively to them. You also forget about the change of or ignore covenants.
Ummmmm, no. God gave us Jesus Christ so that "we" could escape His judgement.
Make a thread about it in GT. Such a discussion would be off topic here.
So the literal living Word of God AKA Christ did not give us the standard to be judged by a righteous Judge, and still stand?
I bet you believe what your church teaches over the Scripture. Your church teaches Jesus came to show it was indeed possible to obey the law perfectly instead of Jesus is our Redeemer. This remains a constant with every SDA individual I have ever talked with. Another alarming thing your church teaches is Jesus is just another prophet with Heb 1. We simply do not have the same Jesus.But, it isn't based on behavior judged by us, it is something going Christ Himself told us to do several different ways - by standards He Himself said, and His disciples supplemented in various letters.
Another one who missed the cross, no doubt. Jesus said a lot of things, including cut out your eye if you look at a woman with lust in your heart, and cut off your hand if you steal. Still have both of your eyes and both of your hands?
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