An Adventist view of the Sabbath Commandment - and why it is applicable to all mankind

[BobRyan]

Dave L said: ↑
But, we establish the righteousness of the Law, not as thugs and murderers who keep the letter

BobRyan said: ↑
Is there a "Thugs and murderers keeping the letter of the law" text in the Bible?? ... an actual text that says it - not merely "you quoting you"??

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” 1 Timothy 1:9–10 (KJV 1900)
Are you really of this sort? What kind of Church could this be?

your text does not say "murderers keep the letter of the law" -- did you forget your own quote waiting to be found??

 

[Dave L]

That's the part where you were supposed to read the texts posted.

So where do we find an example of your "gospel"?

 

[Dave L]

your text does not say "murderers keep the letter of the law" -- did you forget your own quote waiting to be found??

God killed them if they did not. So they were forced to keep it until then.

 

[Dave L]

The snip from James 2 is missing context - "as if" James is warning people not to keep any part of God's Law.

8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the Law as violators. 10 For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all.

So instead of arguing for "nothing BUT law breaking" in James 2:8-10 he is arguing for "nothing but LAW KEEPING"

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do murder, you have become a violator of the Law. 12 So speak, and so act, as those who are to be judged by the law of freedom.

James says the binding obligation is based on "HE who said" not "man who ignores as he chooses".

No wonder the bible scholarship in almost all denominations affirm this Bible detail..

Hebrews 6 warns against returning to the Law making it an unforgivable sin. Are you aware of this? Have you already done this?

 

[BobRyan]

So where do we find an example of your "gospel"?

Read the post - including all the texts in it.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
your text does not say "murderers keep the letter of the law" -- did you forget your own quote waiting to be found??

God killed them if they did not. So they were forced to keep it until then.

This is more "you quoting you" - the objective was to find an actual Bible text saying what you said about murderers keeping the letter of the law.

 

[BobRyan]

Hebrews 6 warns against returning to the Law making it an unforgivable sin.

Not a single quote from Heb 6 say "returning to keeping the law of God is an unforgivable sin"

Hence it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain - even for Christians.

Bible details that Bible scholarship in almost all Christian denominations affirm

There is a pattern here - your posts rely on ignoring every Bible text I post and then heavily focus on "you quoting you"

 

[Dave L]

This is more "you quoting you" - the objective was to find an actual Bible text saying what you said about murderers keeping the letter of the law.

What happened if they murdered someone? They were _______ according to The_____. You fill in the blanks.

 

[Dave L]

Read the post - including all the texts in it.

Let's hear you recite it.

 

[Dave L]

Not a single quote from Heb 6 say "returning to keeping the law of God is an unforgivable sin"

Hence it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain - even for Christians.

Bible details that Bible scholarship in almost all Christian denominations affirm

There is a pattern here - your posts rely on ignoring every Bible text I post and then heavily focus on "you quoting you"

According to those who try to justify themselves from doing it.

 

[BobRyan]

Let's hear you recite it.

So instead of me posting the Bible texts that you are ignoring in your response to my post - you want an audio?? seriously??

 

[Dave L]

So instead of me posting the Bible texts that you are ignoring in your response to my post - you want an audio?? seriously??

Let's hear your "gospel" as if I was some poor sucker who never read the bible.

 

[Nathan@work]

It is the same day of the week - so then God says "tomorrow IS the Sabbath" in Ex 16 -- selecting the very day.

and in Ex 20:11 He points us back to Gen 2:1-3 -- the very day.

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy (Sanctified it)

Gen 2: And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, (made it holy) because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Same day of the week, but not the same day.

The Sabbath was a single day that ended the week of creation.

The weekly Sabbaths are continual.

Then there are other Sabbaths that happen throughout the year.

Then there is the every seventh year Sabbath.

There is only one original Sabbath though, and God rested on that day - that is the day to remember and keep holy.

 

[dqhall]

Gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6.

"All mankind" for Sabbath keeping - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth according to Is 66:23

Sabbath made for "all mankind" Mark 2:27 at the making of mankind and the Sabbath in Gen 1 - Gen 2:3 according to Christ.

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Not one single such statement for circumcision.

Jesus chose to work some Sabbaths and he was Jewish. He healed on the Sabbath. He and his disciples were gleaning grain on the Sabbath. For this reason the Jews sought to kill him; for Moses commanded Sabbath breakers should be stoned.

Acts 15 freed Gentiles from the curse of the Sabbath law, not extended a threat of execution of Sabbath breakers to all mankind.

I was content with a two day weekend, although now that I am retired, I do not worry about being overloaded with tasks. Sabbath was made for man. He may work or rest as he chooses on any day.

Some Jews in Israel will not drive or even turn on a light switch on Sabbath. Are they any better for it?

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus chose to work some Sabbaths and he was Jewish. He healed on the Sabbath.

True and so were priests supposed to work on the Sabbath and also anyone who had anything to do with opening the temple keeping things running - teaching the Bible etc. So Christ's work like an evangelist today was and still is in perfect harmony with His own Sabbath commandment given in the OT.

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He and his disciples were gleaning grain on the Sabbath. For this reason the Jews sought to kill him; for Moses commanded Sabbath breakers should be stoned.

It was a false accusation. He did not send the disciples out to glean the fields on the Sabbath and bring in some sort of harvest. Rather simply a short walk on the Sabbath where instead of popping a wild strawberry in their mouth as they walked they picked off heads of wheat rubbed them in their hands and chewed the raw wheat as they walk. Not a sin in OT or NT , and they were doing this before the cross.

The NT says "sin is transgression of the Law" (1 John 3:4) and there is no way the ten commandments were deleted before the cross no matter what extreme view we take. So Gal 4 says Christ was born "under the Law" and the NT says "He was without sin" Heb 4:15

2 Cor 5 "He knew no sin"

Christ even challenged the Jews to provide an accurate accusation "which of you can prove Me guilty of sin?" John 8:46 NET

A Bible detail that Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations admit to. (As we already saw here on page 1)

 

[BobRyan]

Acts 15 freed Gentiles from the curse of the Sabbath law,

1. There is no "curse of the Sabbath Law" quote in all the Bible. Not even in Acts 15.
2. There is the curse on sinners who break the law - so for example taking God's name in vain - sinners are freed from the curse placed on the guilty Rom 3:19-20 if they accept the Gospel. But it does not free them to take God's name in vain as Paul points out in Rom 3:31 and 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

not extended a threat of execution of Sabbath breakers to all mankind.

Civil Laws of Israel with their civil penalties , civil laws ended even for the wicked who lived in rejection of the Gospel once the nation of Israel ended. And yet the Sabbath commandment continued on as also the command to not take God's name in vain.

A Bible detail that Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations admit to. (As we already saw here on page 1)

 

[BobRyan]

Same day of the week, but not the same day.

The Sabbath was a single day that ended the week of creation.

The weekly Sabbaths are continual.

each weekly Sabbath ends at sundown - "from evening to evening shall you celebrate the Sabbath" Lev 23.

It is the same as Gen 2:1-3 as we see in Ex 20:11.

 

[Nathan@work]

each weekly Sabbath ends at sundown - "from evening to evening shall you celebrate the Sabbath" Lev 23.

It is the same as Gen 2:1-3 as we see in Ex 20:11.

Right, the weekly Sabbath was to remind them of the actual Sabbath day of creation. That is why they observed it from sundown to sundown.

The weekly Sabbath observance was a direct reference to the Sabbath day God rested - which is what the command is to remember.

Remember the Sabbath(singular) to keep it(singular) holy - not remember the Sabbaths(plural) to keep them(plural) holy.

 

[dqhall]

1. There is no "curse of the Sabbath Law" quote in all the Bible. Not even in Acts 15.
2. There is the curse on sinners who break the law - so for example taking God's name in vain - sinners are freed from the curse placed on the guilty Rom 3:19-20 if they accept the Gospel. But it does not free them to take God's name in vain as Paul points out in Rom 3:31 and 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"



Civil Laws of Israel with their civil penalties , civil laws ended even for the wicked who lived in rejection of the Gospel once the nation of Israel ended. And yet the Sabbath commandment continued on as also the command to not take God's name in vain.

A Bible detail that Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations admit to. (As we already saw here on page 1)

Hospitals are open on Sabbath. Does this bother you?

 

[Dave L]

How do you get by heating your homes at 20 below on Saturday? This is punishable by death? Cooking too... How far do you travel on Saturday? You need to watch this one as fast as cars are today.