An Adventist view of the Sabbath Commandment - and why it is applicable to all mankind

[Nathan@work]

The Sabbath was given exclusively to the descendants of Israel.

Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Leviticus 24:8
8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.​

I would only make a point that the weekly Sabbath, and the other ceremonial ones throughout the year, were given exclusively to them.

The actual Sabbath, the seventh day of creation, was given to mankind. It was to point to the rest people of Faith have in Christ.

Mark 2:27 (ESV)
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

 

[BobRyan]

I would only make a point that the weekly Sabbath, and the other ceremonial ones throughout the year, were given exclusively to them.

The actual Sabbath, the seventh day of creation, was given to mankind. It was to point to the rest people of Faith have in Christ.

Mark 2:27 (ESV)
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

The seventh day of creation is the weekly Sabbath according to Ex 20:11... given to all mankind.

So not too surprising that gentiles are singled out for keeping the weekly Sabbath in Is 56:6
and "all mankind" is singled out for that in Is 66:23 as you note , so also does Christ mention this in Mark 2:27

 

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath was given exclusively to the descendants of Israel.

Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Leviticus 24:8
8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.​

By that logic - so also is the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34 , Heb 8:6-12 -- according to both OT and NT.

 

[BobRyan]

If this is true, Sabbath was never commanded for Gentiles, only Jews.

Gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6.

"All mankind" for Sabbath keeping - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth according to Is 66:23

Sabbath made for "all mankind" Mark 2:27 at the making of mankind and the Sabbath in Gen 1 - Gen 2:3 according to Christ.

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Not one single such statement for circumcision.

 

[BobRyan]

Any part means you need to keep all of it which is a rejection of Christ.

Paul differs with that in 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rom 3:31 "What? Do then then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

 

[Der Alte]

By that logic - so also is the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34 , Heb 8:6-12 -- according to both OT and NT.

How about extending me the simple courtesy of when you cite a scripture copy it into the post so one does not have to go elsewhere and try to figure out what you are talking about.

 

[BobRyan]

How about extending me the simple courtesy of when you cite a scripture copy it into the post so one does not have to go elsewhere and try to figure out what you are talking about.

They both say the same thing.

Jer 31:
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord: “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their wrongdoing, and their sin I will no longer remember.”

Heb 8:7
“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will bring about a new covenant
With the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care about them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, declares the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
11 And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen,
And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For they will all know Me,
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful toward their wrongdoings,
And their sins I will no longer remember.”

 

[HIM]

How about extending me the simple courtesy of when you cite a scripture copy it into the post so one does not have to go elsewhere and try to figure out what you are talking about.

Or one could look the verses up and study out what they say in the context that they are written and then in the context in which they are being shared

 

[Nathan@work]

The seventh day of creation is the weekly Sabbath according to Ex 20:11... given to all mankind.

So not too surprising that gentiles are singled out for keeping the weekly Sabbath in Is 56:6
and "all mankind" is singled out for that in Is 66:23 as you note , so also does Christ mention this in Mark 2:27

The Seventh day of creation cannot be the same as the weekly Sabbath. It was the seventh day of creation.

God does not create the world every week.

The weekly Sabbath was for remembrance of that Sabbath day of creation.

Just like the yearly Passover was not the same Passover they had in Egypt.

The repetitive rituals and ceremonies were to remind them of a specific thing that had happened in the past - to point to something in the future.

Their future has come and now we look back at what it was all pointing too.

To discount what it was all about is to discount Christ. I know you do not want to do that.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

I fully agree that the Church considers Sunday as the Lords day. Monday is also, Tuesday, Wednesday, they all are.

John, in Revelation, is referencing the weekly Sabbath however. There is no reason to think otherwise.

The significance of it is that John understood what the weekly Sabbath meant. It was meant to point to the Sabbath day of creation - the day God created for us to rest - to rest in Christ our Lord.

All along it was known as the Sabbath, but after Christ’s finished work, we now understand it is the Lords day. Not the weekly seventh day - but the day God rested - and the day we rest in Christ.

there is nothing in the text of Revelation that says the Lord’s day is the Sabbath. How do you come to that conclusion?

 

[Dave L]

Paul differs with that in 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rom 3:31 "What? Do then then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

But, we establish the righteousness of the Law, not as thugs and murderers who keep the letter. But as being motivated by love, which is the end of the Law.

“Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.” 1 Timothy 1:7 (KJV 1900)

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” Romans 10:4 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave L]

Once again, can you back that up with scripture, or is it merely your opinion? So, if I choose to not get a tattoo because I think that is what God wanted, I have rejected Christ? I don't think it works like that. And, I don't think you can back that up with scripture.

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” Romans 10:4 (KJV 1900)

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” James 2:10 (KJV 1900)

“For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.” Galatians 5:3 (KJV 1900)

“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” Galatians 5:4 (KJV 1900)

 

[Nathan@work]

there is nothing in the text of Revelation that says the Lord’s day is the Sabbath. How do you come to that conclusion?

First of all, there is no reason to think otherwise. We know John was a disciple of Jesus and He was a Jew/Israelite that did the customs that included remembering the Sabbath each week.

Secondly, we know that John knew the great love Jesus had for Him and was very intimate with it. Knowing and understanding the love of Christ changes you and it is evident in what he writes.

Jesus never declared any day to be His day - other than the Sabbath.

I'll restate the fact that this is a huge thing to be written like that. Through it, we see that by the Spirit of God we know what the Sabbath was all about.

 

[BobRyan]

But, we establish the righteousness of the Law, not as thugs and murderers who keep the letter.

Is there a "Thugs and murderers keeping the letter of the law" text in the Bible?? ... an actual text that says it - not merely "you quoting you"??

If so I am interested.

Until then we have actual scripture in Rom 8:4-11 saying the opposite. Which is that the lost "do not submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they"

1 John 5:2-3 comes to mind "this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments".

Rom 2:13 "it is NOT the hearers of the LAW that are just before God - but the DOERS of the Law will be JUSTIFIED"

James 2 "was not Abraham justified by works" -- it is a legal justification where it is seen that "good trees produce good fruit" - one must already be that born-again "good tree" to produce the good fruit and so be "seen" to be the good tree in the Romans 2 context of future gospel judgment "on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:16

 

[BobRyan]

Any part means you need to keep all of it which is a rejection of Christ.

Paul differs with that in 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rom 3:31 "What? Do then then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” Romans 10:4 (KJV 1900)

End as in goal... as in "to what end" to what purpose. Gal 3 also points this out for the lost. The Law leads them to Christ because it is still in full force and condemns all as sinners in need of the Gospel.

But the Gospel does not destroy or "end" the Law. Rather the Gospel New Covenant writes the Law on heart and mind - so then it is STILL a sin even in the NT - to take God's name in vain.

John writes "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 and also "I write these things that you SIN NOT" 1 John 2:1.

Far from "canceling" Rom 3:31 and Rev 14:12 they are affirmed.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rom 3:31 "What? Do then then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Where "the first commandment with a promise" in that still valid unit of TEN that is included in New Covenant Law of Jer 31:31-34 - is the commandment to honor mother and father - Eph 6:1-2

 

[BobRyan]

The Seventh day of creation cannot be the same as the weekly Sabbath. It was the seventh day of creation.

It is the same day of the week - so then God says "tomorrow IS the Sabbath" in Ex 16 -- selecting the very day.

and in Ex 20:11 He points us back to Gen 2:1-3 -- the very day.

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy (Sanctified it)

Gen 2: And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, (made it holy) because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

 

[Dave L]

End as in goal... as in "to what end" to what purpose. Gal 3 also points this out for the lost. The Law leads them to Christ because it is still in full force and condemns all as sinners in need of the Gospel.

But the Gospel does not destroy or "end" the Law. Rather the Gospel New Covenant writes the Law on heart and mind - so then it is STILL a sin even in the NT - to take God's name in vain.

John writes "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 and also "I write these things that you SIN NOT" 1 John 2:1.

Far from "canceling" Rom 3:31 and Rev 14:12 they are affirmed.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rom 3:31 "What? Do then then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Where "the first commandment with a promise" in that still valid unit of TEN that is included in New Covenant Law of Jer 31:31-34 - is the commandment to honor mother and father - Eph 6:1-2

Do you have any examples of the Apostles preaching your "gospel"?

 

[BobRyan]

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” James 2:10 (KJV 1900)

The snip from James 2 is missing context - "as if" James is warning people not to keep any part of God's Law.

8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the Law as violators. 10 For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all.

So instead of arguing for "nothing BUT law breaking" in James 2:8-10 he is arguing for "nothing but LAW KEEPING"

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do murder, you have become a violator of the Law. 12 So speak, and so act, as those who are to be judged by the law of freedom.

James says the binding obligation is based on "HE who said" not "man who ignores as he chooses".

No wonder the bible scholarship in almost all denominations affirm this Bible detail..

 

[BobRyan]

Do you have any examples of the Apostles preaching your "gospel"?

That's the part where you were supposed to read the texts posted.

 

[Dave L]

Is there a "Thugs and murderers keeping the letter of the law" text in the Bible?? ... an actual text that says it - not merely "you quoting you"??

If so I am interested.

Until then we have actual scripture in Rom 8:4-11 saying the opposite. Which is that the lost "do not submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they"

1 John 5:2-3 comes to mind "this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments".

Rom 2:13 "it is NOT the hearers of the LAW that are just before God - but the DOERS of the Law will be JUSTIFIED"

James 2 "was not Abraham justified by works" -- it is a legal justification where it is seen that "good trees produce good fruit" - one must already be that born-again "good tree" to produce the good fruit and so be "seen" to be the good tree in the Romans 2 context of future gospel judgment "on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:16

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” 1 Timothy 1:9–10 (KJV 1900)
Are you really of this sort? What kind of Church could this be?