Something else we need to keep in mind, even if the falling star in Revelation 9:1 isn't satan, Revelation 12:12 records him being cast out of heaven to the earth, and not cast out of the bottomless pit to the earth, nor cast out of heaven then cast into the bottomless pit. Either way you look at it, Revelation 9:1 together with Revelation 12:12 shows that there is no connection with satan being in the pit at the time, or about to be in the pit at the time.
While I do disagree with some of your post, some of I tend to think you might be correct about, or least pretty close. The following are some of my reasons why satan is not being loosed from the pit in Revelation 9, mainly because he is not even in the pit at the time to begin with.
I welcome the review.
If Satan was NOT "
bound" at the Cross...
when was he "
bound"?
BTW... I am not "pretty close"... I am spot on.
Because this is information "unsealed" to the Last Saints.
You said:
Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
I actually
USED that passage in my explanation.
Here is what I said:
(1) First, the Great Tribulation or the Revelation Beast and the end
of the world is shown to be THREE (3) Woes or the Fifth Trumpet,
Sixth Trumpet and Seventh Trumpet
Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the
midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to
the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of
the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
You said:
Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Yes... the "
wise virgins" of the Great Tribulation/Revelation
were Judged for "
agreeing to give their Kingdom to the Beast"
[Rev 17:1-13,17] during the
FIRST WOE (Fifth Trumpet)
You see they were (spiritually) "
killed" at the
END of the
FIRST WOE and the beginning of the
SECOND WOE
Rev 9:12-15
One woe is past; and, behold,
there come two woes more hereafter.
And the sixth angel sounded,
[start of the Second Woe]
and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar
which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had
the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the
great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a
month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
You said:
Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
The Second Woe was the
END of the Great Tribulation/
Revelation Beast. The "
Final Harvest" of Saints is shown
BEFORE the Second Beast is destroyed. The SECOND WOE
(Sixth Trumpet)
STARTS here:
Rev 9:13-15
And the sixth angel sounded,
[that is the Second Woe]
and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar
which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had
the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the
great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a
month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
The 1/3 of men represents the Last Saints ("
wise virgins")
just as the 3 horns being overcome by the "
Little Horn"
represent the Last Saints or "
wise virgins" [Dan 7]
BTW: This was the FULFILLMENT of Rev 6:9-11 where
the SOULS of the martyred saints are told to wait for
a "Little Season" (Satan's Little Season) so that all of
their brother Saints (in the Revelation Beast) are "killed"
Rev 11:14-15
The second woe is past;
and, behold,
the third woe cometh quickly.
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great
voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are
become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
You said:
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Yes... again, in addition to Rev 9:1, we see that Satan
is "
loosened" during the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast.
Notice he has a "
short time"... that is Satan's "
Little Season"
Moreover... look at WHO Satan is attacking: (the Last Saints)
Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to
make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of
Jesus Christ.
I hope you do not think that Revelation is shown
in a chronological order. We see Satan "loosened"
in Rev 9 and we see a different perspective of the
SAME EVENT in Rev 12.
You said:
What is one thing all of these have in common? They all involve woes. What seems more likely to me is this.
Again, this was the STARTING POINT of my explanation:
I will re-post what I said:
(1) First, the Great Tribulation or the Revelation Beast and the end
of the world is shown to be THREE (3) Woes or the Fifth Trumpet,
Sixth Trumpet and Seventh Trumpet
Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the
midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to
the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of
the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
You said:
And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!----Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time---the beginning of the first woe---And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
I really do not know what your point is above or how
I should respond because this is all material we just
covered above. Satan being "loosened" is shown
from several different perspectives and the Book
of Revelation is NOT written in chronological order.
You said:
Therefore, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time---seems to start with this---and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit---therefore making this fallen star likely to be satan. Assuming this is correct, this alone proves satan is not coming out of the pit in Revelation 9, as if he had been locked inside as well, if he is instead the one opening it.
The falling star is NOT Satan...
Satan (and his demons) are released from the Pit
by the falling star. Again, remember, the FIRST WOE
[Rev 9] is the START of the Great Tribulation/Revelation
Beast. Besides, the notion that Satan is releasing demons
from the Pit while he is OUTSIDE of the Pit.. is pure fantasy.
Rev 9:1-3
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall
from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given
the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the
bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air
were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon
the earth: and unto them was given power,
as the scorpions of the earth have power.
BTW: Locusts represent false prophets and,
in this case it is showing the false prophecy of the
FIRST Revelation Beast.
You said:
Something else in common among the verses above are this----Both Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12 pronounce woes on the inhabiters of the earth, and that in the latter it starts with satan being cast to the earth, and in Revelation 9 the first woe begins with a falling star falling to earth and then opening the pit. Falling stars are usually not depicting something good, so the chance of this falling star being a good angel is highly unlikely, therefore satan looks like he fits Revelation 9:1 the best.
With all due respect... that is nonsensical and contrary
to Scripture [Rev 12]. Please tell me WHERE in the bible
do you find someone or something "bound" in the
Bottomless Pit BESIDES SATAN?
Rev 9:1 is the SAME EVENT as Rev 12 when Satan
is "loosened" to ATTACK those who "keep the commandments"
This is not difficult... it is simply two different perspectives
of the SAME EVENT.
You said:
And here's the interesting twist. The very same bottomless pit satan is given the key to, assuming the falling star is meaning him, he ends up locked up in this same pit with this same key. But this time it's the exact opposite than in Revelation 9. In Revelation 9 a bad angel is unlocking the pit to let things out, and that since there is no indication in that chapter that the pit gets shut and locked again, this means it's likely already still open when the good angel comes down from heaven in Revelation 20:1 already possessing the key. But this time not to open it up and let things out, but to cast something in, then lock the pit back up again.
Now you have entered the Twilight Zone with imaginations
about "good angels" and "bad angels" opening and closing
the Pit. Why is it so HARD for you to understand that:
(1) Revelation is NOT written in chronological order and
(2) The ONLY person/thing locked in the pit is Satan and
(3) Revelation 20 is showing a time BEFORE the start
of the Revelation Beast (as Satan is "loosened")...
why is it so hard to understand that Satan was BOUND
at the CROSS so that the Great Commission could occur?
Please tell me WHERE in the Bible does it teach that Satan
"loosens" someone or something from the Bottomless Pit.
There is NO BIBLICAL REASON for ever considering such
an absurd doctrine... not unless you have SCRIPTURE that
talks about Satan "loosening" something from the Pit.
Again, a re-post of what I already revealed"
Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen.
(4) Knowing that Satan is "loosened" at the FIRST WOE or the
Fifth Trumpet... then we know he was "bound" at some time
BEFORE the start of the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast.
Satan was "bound" at the Cross.
Now some people say "Satan could not be "bound" at the Cross
because he went forth like a lion seeking to devour people
DURING the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
But that argument only reveals a lack of understanding about
what it meant to be "bound". It does not mean that Satan is
"bound" with physical chains... the "Bottomless Pit" is really
a CONDITION and not a physical location on earth. DUH!
Saying that Satan is "bound" means that Jesus was given
ALL AUTHORITY to "seek and save" all of His "lost sheep" and
Satan could not prevent the Body of Christ being completed
during the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".
You said:
Something else we need to keep in mind, even if the falling star in Revelation 9:1 isn't satan, Revelation 12:12 records him being cast out of heaven to the earth, and not cast out of the bottomless pit to the earth, nor cast out of heaven then cast into the bottomless pit. Either way you look at it, Revelation 9:1 together with Revelation 12:12 shows that there is no connection with satan being in the pit at the time, or about to be in the pit at the time
Do you REALLY think there is a
PHYSICAL key
to the Bottomless Pit?
Do you REALLY think Satan is bound by
PHYSICAL chains?
Do you REALLY think the Bottomless Pit is a
GEOGRAPHIC
AREA on earth?... or can you "see" that it is
a
CONDITION that binds Satan from
stopping the Great Commission?
You will need to THINK a little harder because
(1) there is no PHYSICAL key
(2) There are no PHYSICAL chains
(3) The Bottomless pit is NOT under Antarctica
(4) The Pit is a CONDITION to not have AUTHORITY
during the Great Commission of the Church Age
(again showing Satan was BOUND at the Cross)
Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen.
I appreciate your comments.
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